Tom Deblass being humble - DO NOT LET THIS S--- GO

[NSchoke]

Unless you need food, stay home. What don't you get?

Weren't you saying you're hustling and not taking unemployment?

How are you paying your bills?

 

[randomg1t]

This guy was on the Joe Rogan podcast, good listen IMO, he's looking for a middle ground. Not everyone wants to sit around with one thumb in their mouth and one in their ass and wait for their Government to tell them to switch.

everything he says is true. but i think you're misinterpreting his message.

NY started closing down when, around march 10th? literally the entire time, not one person in charge of handling the pandemic has come out and said that this was the entirety of their plan. no one on the planet is looking to sit down and quarantine until there is a vaccine. no one is suggesting that, no one is attempting to do that.

what every affected country in the world is trying to do right now is to contain the virus, slow down it's spread, and gain some solid footing on how to handle the situation.

you need an adequate amount of testing kits. you need an adequate amount of protective gear for healthcare workers. you need hospitals to set up an effective system of testing patients reliably before admitting them with other people. you can't do any of that if the virus runs wild through a city with the population density of NYC, and there is a pretty obvious shortage of both testing kits and protective gear.

locking down and staying in quarantine is step one. it isn't the final step. it's literally the first step, and it's the most painful one. once things get somewhat under control, you can open up certain parts of the economy, slowly and carefully, under heavy supervision. again, that can only be done when there's enough testing kits, enough protective gear... you get the picture.

and finally, to your thumb in ass and mouth comment... no one wants to sit around doing nothing. it might sound appealing at first, but we all realised pretty quickly how fucking depressing it is to be home all the time. people like you make it seem as if the rest of society is really enjoying being locked up and isolated from everyone, the freeloading bastards waiting for their handouts. well, no. this sucks major dick, no one is content.

but hey, i'm all ears on what you suggest should be done instead. you clearly see the government telling you to lay low as something inherently wrong, do you have a better solution for handling this at the current stage?

it's like someone complaining that the construction workers aren't renovating their kitchen like was planned, while the fire department is still trying to put out the fucking fire that's sweeping through the entire house.

I'm a NY resident, upstate, we don't have much problem here. Our Governor said he won't let free and able bodied people provide for their family here because if things open up here people from downstate might travel up here to use our services and infect us.

There has to be a better way.

i'm all ears on what that better way is. unless you prevent downstate people from traveling upstate, what the governor is suggesting very well may be true.

 

[shunyata]

I like how they don't get why food is allowed. Lol

Let them eat bars and protein shakes!

 

[shunyata]

i would agree with the first part, i think the vast majority of us went through that stage. china is reporting some deadly shit has gotten out of hand? meh, it's going to turn out like the rest of the scares we've had in the past 15 years, probably isn't going to reach us. italy's a hot spot? meh, it isn't killing more people than the flu, the media is blowing this way out of proportion.

but then italy goes into complete lockdown. italians start dying by the thousands. their doctors are begging every neighbouring country to take this seriously, because it hasn't been contained and it will fuck them as well. at that point, most of us realized that as uncomfortable as the truth is, digging our heads in sand isn't going to help.

i would argue that the initial reaction is completely natural, and the ability to apply critical thinking means the difference between realising how dire the situation is on the first day, and realising it on the 20th day. but even the dumb get it eventually.

garry and his crew have been hearing about this for months. the state they are in has imposed a lockdown. it started off with "liberal" media warning everyone over and over, with fox and the like mocking them for fear mongering. jeanine pirro changed her tune quite quickly and is staying at home. every fucking news outlet out there is saying this isn't a joke, everyone around these men is saying it isn't a joke, the governor of their state is pleading with them to take it seriously, the leading immunologist in the country is saying it's bad - and still they refuse to believe it.

saying their lack of education is the reason for their inability to think critically is being way too generous. they are spouting willfully ignorant horseshit. at this point, it isn't possible that any individual who manages to dress and feed themselves doesn't understand the severity of the situation. especially a NY resident.

i think it has more to do with their inability to admit they were wrong, so they double down. they keep doubling down, the worse the situation gets, the more absurd their arguments. it seems like a recurring theme in the US.

TO BE FAIR............ I've trained with quite a few people over the years who were highly educated off the mat. I've also trained with quite a few people over the years who seemed really intelligent about their expertise in the gym, but barely functioning at even a middle school level outside the gym.


There are some really really dumb guys in the world who know boxing well, or know grappling well, and their intelligence ends at the gym door.


Gymrats gonna gymrat. The real problem on a bigger public health level is not gymrats being idiots, but casual gymgoers and fans thinking the gymrats are authorities outside the gym.

 

[randomg1t]

TO BE FAIR............ I've trained with quite a few people over the years who were highly educated off the mat. I've also trained with quite a few people over the years who seemed really intelligent about their expertise in the gym, but barely functioning at even a middle school level outside the gym.


There are some really really dumb guys in the world who know boxing well, or know grappling well, and their intelligence ends at the gym door.


Gymrats gonna gymrat. The real problem on a bigger public health level is not gymrats being idiots, but casual gymgoers and fans thinking the gymrats are authorities outside the gym.

what i was trying to get to is that every functional adult has enough mental capacities to understand why the world has hunkered down.

skill on the mat has nothing to do with it. i know plenty of people with no formal education who didn't need weeks of everyone around them literally screaming at the top of their lungs to just fucking listen to the experts and stay home. being a gym rat is no excuse for being intentionally obtuse. garry and tom aren't intellectually incapable of understanding this. they refuse to understand it, which is far worse.

edit: i know this post clearly contradicts what i was saying about them in previous posts in this thread. i have changed my opinion. they're being willfully stupid.

 

[NSchoke]

and finally, to your thumb in ass and mouth comment... no one wants to sit around doing nothing. it might sound appealing at first, but we all realised pretty quickly how fucking depressing it is to be home all the time. people like you make it seem as if the rest of society is really enjoying being locked up and isolated from everyone, the freeloading bastards waiting for their handouts. well, no. this sucks major dick, no one is content.

Even State Parks and Boat launches are closed. They're talking about closing campgrounds this summer. I'm at some point the medicine is worse than the disease.

but hey, i'm all ears on what you suggest should be done instead. you clearly see the government telling you to lay low as something inherently wrong, do you have a better solution for handling this at the current stage?

it's like someone complaining that the construction workers aren't renovating their kitchen like was planned, while the fire department is still trying to put out the fucking fire that's sweeping through the entire house.



i'm all ears on what that better way is. unless you prevent downstate people from traveling upstate, what the governor is suggesting very well may be true.

What I think should be done is to start opening businesses that can properly social distance in areas that have little to no impact immediately and try to monitor hospitals and open other businesses in phases until we can test properly.

The biggest hurdle will be kids returning to school but summer break is almost here anyway.

I don't see stopping people from feeding their families because people from a few hours away MIGHT travel to their area as an acceptable option. It seems like people will have Covid and the ability to travel for a long time and we may not have a vaccine until 2022.

 

[randomg1t]

Even State Parks and Boat launches are closed. They're talking about closing campgrounds this summer. I'm at some point the medicine is worse than the disease.

you do understand covid is now the leading cause of death in the US, right? nothing is killing as many people per day as this virus.

i think not being able to go on a boat isn't worse than the disease, when the disease is the literal #1 cause of death in the country.

What I think should be done is to start opening businesses that can properly social distance in areas that have little to no impact immediately and try to monitor hospitals and open other businesses in phases until we can test properly.

which is exactly what everyone is aiming to do... once the situation is even remotely stable. every expert in the field has repeatedly said that opening anything up right now would end with catastrophic results.

I don't see stopping people from feeding their families because people from a few hours away MIGHT travel to their area as an acceptable option. It seems like people will have Covid and the ability to travel for a long time and we may not have a vaccine until 2022.

see this is what rubs me the wrong way. stopping people from feeding their families - wording it like that implies that people are being maliciously harmed with lockdowns, when in reality they're being protected from a deadly fucking pandemic.

these are separate issues, and the government should make sure that people don't starve. that's why there's a stimulus bill, it's why most countries have taken unprecedented measures with financial aid to people who lost their income. i don't think what the US is doing for their citizens is enough, but that has nothing to do with what the lockdown is attempting to achieve.

the choice here isn't economic damage or death by virus. lifting all limitations will result in enough death and suffering that the economy will collapse just the same. your choice here is economic damage, or economic damage and deaths of millions.

 

[lechien]

Bjj cult fake leader would be the idiots that would tell anyone that it takes longer to earn a bjj BB than to become a doctor.

Lol

 

[j123]

Bjj cult fake leader would be the idiots that would tell anyone that it takes longer to earn a bjj BB than to become a doctor.

Lol

I used to know a guy who was like that, guy was salty when at parties if a person was a doctor and said he was, he'd reply back how he was a doctor too, because he's been training martial arts for over 20 years while a doctor did 7+.

lol

 

[SandisLL]

the choice here isn't economic damage or death by virus. lifting all limitations will result in enough death and suffering that the economy will collapse just the same. your choice here is economic damage, or economic damage and deaths

Most likely.
If about economic damage, one european promoter had to pay out fighter's purses partially from savings cos tickets sales were considerably lower than expected for one event and to cancel next event because lack of sales…… before lockdown.
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If there isn't enough sales for events etc like stuff, then to blame only governments is a bit ...strange.
Clients fear from possible viruses.
Yes, governments ofc added burden with restrictions, however clients fear already had impacted businesses.
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Without restrictions we most likely had a) still almost 0 clients b) full owerloaded hospitals.
Plus if we know % of skilled medicine specialists >50 y.o, if they will stay at home cos fear that new virus is dangerous more for their age group………...

 

[Os3y3ris]

Weren't you saying you're hustling and not taking unemployment?

How are you paying your bills?

Essential, my dude.

 

[lechien]

I used to know a guy who was like that, guy was salty when at parties if a person was a doctor and said he was, he'd reply back how he was a doctor too, because he's been training martial arts for over 20 years while a doctor did 7+.

lol

My mate is even weirder.
He used his title of doctor from his PhD for his title on bjj certificate when he signs them.

He refused to use the common professor title.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

My mate is even weirder.
He used his title of doctor from his PhD for his title on bjj certificate when he signs them.

He refused to use the common professor title.

I think even calling someone a professor of BJJ is fucking weird to be honest. I can't think of any other sports that do that.

 

[randomg1t]

I think even calling someone a professor of BJJ is fucking weird to be honest. I can't think of any other sports that do that.

it is. but damn, claiming you're a doctor because you trained something for 20 years? might as well skip the shenanigans and just tell people you have a tiny dick.

 

[lechien]

I think even calling someone a professor of BJJ is fucking weird to be honest. I can't think of any other sports that do that.

Professor just mean teacher in Brasil..

Lol

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Professor just mean teacher in Brasil..

Lol

Oh, didn't know that, that's fair enough then.

 

[esteven]

Professor just mean teacher in Brasil..

Lol

Doesn't make it any less weird.

 

[NSchoke]

you do understand covid is now the leading cause of death in the US, right? nothing is killing as many people per day as this virus.

i think not being able to go on a boat isn't worse than the disease, when the disease is the literal #1 cause of death in the country.

I thought we were around 3,000 per day. Maybe it was your comment I saw.

"Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled."
Should we lock down because of this? I'm sure there are people who are to scared to leave there house because of stuff like this- shouldn't be forced on us though.

which is exactly what everyone is aiming to do... once the situation is even remotely stable. every expert in the field has repeatedly said that opening anything up right now would end with catastrophic results.

The guy from the video I posted before that you agreed with seems to think that we shouldn't have shut down in the first place. Only quarintined our most vulnerable. This is going to be around for quite a while.

Covers most in 1st 10 minutes.

see this is what rubs me the wrong way. stopping people from feeding their families - wording it like that implies that people are being maliciously harmed with lockdowns, when in reality they're being protected from a deadly fucking pandemic.

these are separate issues, and the government should make sure that people don't starve. that's why there's a stimulus bill, it's why most countries have taken unprecedented measures with financial aid to people who lost their income. i don't think what the US is doing for their citizens is enough, but that has nothing to do with what the lockdown is attempting to achieve.

the choice here isn't economic damage or death by virus. lifting all limitations will result in enough death and suffering that the economy will collapse just the same. your choice here is economic damage, or economic damage and deaths of millions.

What rubs me the wrong way is all the people saying name the names of people you want to die any time someone mentions getting back to work. A shit economy and high unemployment bring alot of bad things outside of directly financial.
Suicide, addictions, domestic violence, heart attacks, ect, rise.

Maybe if we kept things completly unchecked, there'd be death to millions. If our vulnerable quarintined instead of everyone as the guy I linked suggested I think we could keep things moving and keep most people fairly safe.

People will die either way unfortunately. We need try try to keep the living "living".

 

[NSchoke]

Essential, my dude.

Me too

 

[randomg1t]

I thought we were around 3,000 per day. Maybe it was your comment I saw.

"Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled."
Should we lock down because of this? I'm sure there are people who are to scared to leave there house because of stuff like this- shouldn't be forced on us though.

where's your source for 1.25M people dying every year? is that the number of deaths globally? because it sure as fuck isn't the number of deaths in the US. if 1.25M people died of car crashes each year in the US, i wager something would definitely change in traffic regulations.

the CDC lists heart disease as the leading cause of death in the US, with some 650k deaths annually. that averages out at around 1700 per day. which makes covid #1 killer right now. this is easily verifiable information, you don't need to take my word for it.

there is the minor detail of car crashes not being contagious, too. but i'm not getting into that one again, because it hurts my brain that i even need to explain this.

The guy from the video I posted before that you agreed with seems to think that we shouldn't have shut down in the first place. Only quarintined our most vulnerable. This is going to be around for quite a while.

Covers most in 1st 10 minutes.

sorry mate, i'm not watching another 10min video you posted.

if the guy thinks nothing should've shut down, then the guy is simply wrong. flattening the curve is the only strategy that doesn't inflate the mortality rate to absurd levels.

What rubs me the wrong way is all the people saying name the names of people you want to die any time someone mentions getting back to work. A shit economy and high unemployment bring alot of bad things outside of directly financial.
Suicide, addictions, domestic violence, heart attacks, ect, rise.

Maybe if we kept things completly unchecked, there'd be death to millions. If our vulnerable quarintined instead of everyone as the guy I linked suggested I think we could keep things moving and keep most people fairly safe.

People will die either way unfortunately. We need try try to keep the living "living".

no one, literally no one is saying that people should stay in lockdown for ever. not one person in charge has come out and said people will stay locked up for 2 years.

the lockdown has been active what, a whole of 4 weeks? and already it seems completely unreasonable to you?

do you believe the US has enough protective gear for everyone to return to work, never mind just healthcare workers? do you feel like there's enough testing kits to properly test people while they're returning to work? the virus having leaped up to the #1 spot in the list of things that can kill you in the US, do you feel like the situation has been put under control?

but i'm tired of having to explain the same thing over and over. if you don't get it by now, you're just not going to get it. so go ahead, go out and join a mass protest against the lockdown. that's the smart move.