Discussion in 'MMA Betting Discussion' started by EzFlyer, Nov 12, 2016.
Ooo I meeember! That was fayntashtiiiiiic!
says who? there is no reliable evidence for this, all you have is the actual footage, that shows a albeit 'deep' guillotine, but wonderboy still survived it. and woodley still ended up putting himself on bottom since he wasn't successful with it. so in the end wonderboys 'strategy' was the better one, since he survived it. but according to you, we should be valuing woodley much higher?
Because rd1 was the equivalent of a fighter landing a bunch of jabs with a few hard shots in a stand up fight. Weird to even bring that up. Anyways it's all subjective. No need to go down a rabbit hole on this.
Have no clue who u r referencing in regards to being certain WB won. Must have missed those posts. I had no clue what the scores would be.
In the end with WB/Woodley can we all just agree that none of the 3 outcomes (either guy winning or a draw) is crazy? I thought Wonderboy won but in a fight like that there's plenty of validity for each viewpoint.
More than the result to me was how incredibly tough Wonderboy is. If anyone thought he was a flashy Karate guy that would fold when hurt and in trouble, put that idea to rest. Kid is a FIGHTER.
You cut off the rest of my sentence which had the qualifier / caveat that explains my rationale for saying that it was the deepest guillotine to escape from. Indeed, there have been deeper guillotines per Se, but my argument is that the guillotine escape was soooo remarkable because what had transpired just moments before.
So Twood had rocked WB and had him virtually out on his feet. In fact, Big Dan was centimeters away from touching Woodley and ending the fight. Literally one more punch or two more seconds of not answering back and the fight is over. Much like Cain / Werdum, Nate / Conor and especially Tito / Bader, the winner had rocked their opponents and then in the midst of their foes wobbly legged star seeing moment, they took advantage of the opportunity and jumped guard to end the match. Had Bader or Cain escaped this would have been remarkable, but the three quickly tapped because they weren't perfectly coherent.
Now, granted, the technique of Twood's guillotine wasn't perfect and needed work, but nevertheless it was tight and considering the circumstances it was definitely a 9 of step 10 for getting the tap. The technique of Werdum and Nate were perfect, but still, to not believe that WB was on his way to going to sleep is crazy. He even admitted as much afterwards. Lastly, I can't recall someone as rocked as Wonderboy escaping that tight of a guillotine off the top of my head. And that is all I am saying.
I actually thought WB showed he was a fighter even against Brown. He was green. Imagine Sage in that situation. I think WB has heart.
i think woodley winning would've been kinda crazy
he clearly lost 3 rounds
I agree. Draw or Wonderboy are the only ouctomes that make sense to me. The scoring of round 4 is the only debatable point, IMO, and I strongly disagree with entertaining the thought of a 10-8 first round.
You my friend are a fool if you believe that guillotine wasn't close to being done at multiple times.
Wonderboy had no strategy in the exchange. Woodley elected to attempt to choke him, and you get no points for escaping or defense if you didn't know. Woodley had the only effective grappling in the round so that's why you should value him in that exchange much higher. From what I hear from you is you don't rate submissions that do not produce a finish? I don't believe that that is the way judges score fights man.
I agree with everyone that the outcome is either Draw or a Wonderboy win depending on how you scored the 4th.
it was close initially, the moment woodley's legs started sliding (which happened almost emidietly after they hit the ground with woodley on bottom, he was essentially just blowing out his arms completly, which is also evident in the footage where he let's go, try's to adjust grip, and then just keeps pulling and putting even more strain on his arms. so, no it wasn't close ''multiple times''
and the exchange still ended with woodley on bottom for over a minute. you are overselling woodley's submission attempt like crazy, in order to 'validate' your opinion on the matter.
At first I'd have agreed. But it's not completely bonkers to say:
Now, don't get me wrong. This is coming from me who thinks NEITHER rds 1 or 4 were 10-8 rounds for Woodley. But...it's not TOTALLY nuts to think they could have both been scored that way. 47-46 Woodley is way off how I scored it, but not an insane scorecard.
You get pts for what happens AFTER escaping though if your escape leads to you having top position an dropping gnp on the other guy. Which is what happened for the last 75 seconds of that round.
I think calling someone a fool is just the wrong way to argue a subjective point. I would go ballistic on comments like this when I first RESTARTED posting in this forum. And honestly I probably looked like a fool doing it. I just hate when people argue in that way. But at this point I just am ignoring guys who argue that way. I'm sure u could care less if I ignore u. But the danger is that many start ignoring u and just won't even debate u on anything.
Where I come from someone being called a fool is followed by the other guy saying F U Asshole. And while the latter seems so much worse. They are essentially still both insulting and no one likes being called a fool.
Yea. I have no beef on the 10-8 or draw. My big thing is that I had 20k(over 24k with parlays) on WB and honestly I was pretty confident that the judges would score it 48-47 for him. I just didn't think 2 would score it 10-8.
That said, if I was a judge. I think I would have 100% scored it 10-8.
even though the fightmetrics were spread out over five rounds woodley outthrew thompson(nobody would have ever thought that this would be the outcome), outlanded thompson, had a higher connect percentage and was credited with two sub attempts, 1 kd(should have been two in the fourth), 1 td where stephen was credited with a grand total of zero and tyronne also had octogon control for twice as much time as thompson
i have no problem with the draw but people thinking that there was no way that woodley could have won are delusional
i had round one a 10-8(before i lb woodley at -165 in the fifth round on betfair) due to mma criteria
thompson was credited with a total of one punch against woodleys 45(14 to 1 signifigant), secured a td, possessed 3:00 minutes of octagon control to thompson zero and cut open the bridge of thompsons nose.
woodley satisfied all three criteria, as opposed to the ufc only asking to satisfy just two in justifying a 10-8 round, of dominance(45-1 in strikes), duration(3:00 of octagon control to zero) and damage(stephens nose cut open)
its ridiculous to give the same 10-9 rounds like two and three to thompson, where nothing was really done by either fighter, and have the same 10-9 for woodley in round one
Why is someone delusional just because they have a different opinion than u. I actually agree with u. But this shit is all subjective. And I'm still looking for all these posts of anyone saying its a robbery that WB DIDNT WIN
i dont think anyone said robbery...that also would be delusional.
i have no problem with a draw but people saying that there is no way woodley won, well, i thought he won and the fightmetric, as a whole, clearly proves that. again, to take the side that wonderboy won is okay but to say that there is no way that woodley could have is, imo, delusional
Seriously, what are u debatin
At this point I don't think u r actually reading what people are posting. U keep debating the same thing over n over. I literally answered this post a page ago.
Sure he outlander him 40 something to 1. But a fighter out landing a fighter that way standing but never really having him in trouble does not constitute a 10-8(imo)
im not debating anything other than giving an explanation on why round one could have been 10-8 by mma criteria whereas some people are saying that it could not have been.
thompson did absolutely nothing in round one other than get dominated.
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