Social Trump to void birthright citizenship (part of the 14th amendment)

[MicroBrew]

It hasn't already been decided what that clause means? Incorporation via the 14th, as I recall, seems even less supported by the text than birthright citizenship.

It's not arguable though that the 14th was meant to benefit the slaves. Do you agree that the men who wrote it never figured it could be abused like it is now, due to the advent of transatlantic travel?

 

[*Z*]

He’s not “changing” the Constitution. He is interpreting it—something which is also technically forbidden. But in the bigger picture, he’s likely setting up the Supreme Court to address this question, which has heretofore gone unanswered.

Interpreting it? How can this be interpreted differently?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[Strychnine]

How many millions of Chinese alone go “citizenship shopping”? Add in India, Middle East etc.....

These people then take their babies back home, and they will use American citizenship for any freebies or safety net. Like an Insurance policy.

Maybe live their lives overseas then come retire here and want free medical care and retirement benefits.

Not only that, with their loyalty stays with their “Home Countries”, and they can vote for those interests. Plenty of democrats willing to sell out America and it’s peoples future for a vote today. Look at what they do with illegals south of the border. Pamper for them votes.

It must stop, for the benefit of America, but we all know the leftists will flip out.

Wait a sec...

I was told that the poem on the statue of Liberty was edited to something like...

"Give me your tired and your poor who can stand on their own two feet,” said Kenneth T. Cuccinelli II, a top Trump administration immigration official."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/14/...=RelatedCoverage&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

If those people can afford to "shop for citizenship" then they can surely "afford" citizenship.

 

[all caps]

He’s not “changing” the Constitution. He is interpreting it—something which is also technically forbidden. But in the bigger picture, he’s likely setting up the Supreme Court to address this question, which has heretofore gone unanswered.

Come on man, you're better than this. Why are your rights on the negotiation table? Have some respect for yourself and your nation. Jesus christ.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Do you think this issue could earn him a lot of support for 2020 ? I do.

I dont know if it would gain him any support that he doesn't already have, but if people think about it critically they'd agree it should be changed.

 

[nostradumbass]

@nostradumbass


But don't worry, you fucking moron, because Trump's gonna make the problem much better if he gets his way. The idea? The genius of detaining migrant families in for profit facilities, using taxpayer money and committing human rights abuses without oversight, and now? Doing it indefinitely!!! Brilliant!!

So much

Oh, cool, a CNN video. I'll definitely check that out.



You don't seem mentally equipped to have this conversation and are all over the road. "There wasn't a problem until Trump said it, it was going to fix itself, we owe them unlimited migration, it's Pinochet, it's Trump, let's pay them not to come here, don't build a wall, the obvious fix is to decriminalize, don't detain anybody and offer them handouts". You're just making an ass of yourself again.

 

[MicroBrew]

I dont know if it would gain him any support that he doesn't already have, but if people think about it critically they'd agree it should be changed.

It may get him some support from working and middle class Democrats and Independents who see it (birth tourism) as abuse of Working and Middle Class Americans.

 

[JamesRussler]

Interpreting it? How can this be interpreted differently?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I’ve already addressed this issue at length in the past, so I will spare you the treatise. Quite simply, the meaning of the words “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is not settled.

 

[44nutman]

Don't worry, Donny has diarrhea mouth. Tomorrow he will say something different after he talks to an adult who will tell him, you cant do that to the Constitution, because eventually when you not President, we don't want someone else to use precedent to wipe out the second amendment.

 

[Fawlty]

That would be something for the S.C. to decide. But as a layman I can't see how the people who wrote the 14th amendment ever envisioned any and all foreigners from all over the world to just come here and claim citizenship for their offspring.

The 14th amendment's birthright law was an anti-slavery law, it was not written to allow affluent Chinese,Indian,Korean,Arab etc.. to come here and claim citizenship for their offspring. Back then no one could have envisioned the advent of transatlantic air travel and how the law could be abused.

Kinda yeah, but some of this needs context.

By 1868, when this was ratified, America had already had one significant and recent wave of hysterical anti-immigration politics, particularly by way of the Know-Nothing Party (a real bunch of fucking winners, that lot). It was perfectly well understood that people would come here from all over to create American families specifically for the opportunities it would bring their children. Yes, they didn't expect things like birth tourism or anchorship but they were on the whole quite accepting of any immigrant who could get him/herself here. It wasn't until the end of the century and the beginning of the 20th that oceanic travel started becoming easier and it became possible to do "birth tourism" along with truly mass migration.

 

[Happy Man]

Don't worry, Donny has diarrhea mouth. Tomorrow he will say something different after he talks to an adult who will tell him, you cant do that to the Constitution, because eventually when you not President, we don't want someone else to use precedent to wipe out the second amendment.

Agreed.

Even though one is something we all know is being abused. And should stop.

Then other is private gun ownership. Which would spark a civil war immediately. No doubt. And if the right wins over the army, the annihilation of every white liberal would be a terrible certainty.

Not worth such an awful outcome.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Agreed.

Even though one is something we all know is being abused. And should stop.

Then other is private gun ownership. Which would spark a civil war immediately. No doubt. And if the right wins over the army, the annihilation of every white liberal would be a terrible certainty.

Not worth such an awful outcome.

Do you cans ever think about anything other that “starting civil wars” or what will cause one.

Right wingers are mentally diseased beyond repair.

 

[JamesRussler]

Come on man, you're better than this. Why are your rights on the negotiation table? Have some respect for yourself and your nation. Jesus christ.

Please clarify your post. Are you (a) in favor birthright citizenship, or (b) do you oppose use of executive orders on this issue?

I am strongly against birthright citizenship. I think it is terrible (suicidal) policy, and it is not required or even supported by the text of the 14th Amendment. I generally oppose use of executive orders in this manner, but since other non-SCOTUS government entities have taken it upon themselves to resolve this crucial Constitutional question in favor of foreign nationals, I don’t have a problem with it here. I am well aware that this question will end up in the Supreme Court.

 

[Happy Man]

Do you cans ever think about anything other that “starting civil wars” or what will cause one.

Right wingers are mentally diseased beyond repair.

What? Basically The 2nd amendment is a tripwire. It’s a known fact.

You declare your neighbor, and tens of millions of law abiding citizens criminals bc it fits your political desires(elites desires) and come after them find drawn, you would be a fool to imagine it doesn’t devolve into civil war.

The establishment always loses this war game. Which is why they have been shipping illegals to small town America. Every single small town in Nebraska has a large illegal community. Some are about 70%. Like Schuyler Nebraska.

They also were getting trounced in Appalachia by the American taliban. Now that area is decimated by the opioid “epidemic”.

The establishment knows what it’s doing.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

What? Basically The 2nd amendment is a tripwire. It’s a known fact.

You declare your neighbor, and tens of millions of law abiding citizens criminals bc it fits your political desires(elites desires) and come after them find drawn, you would be a fool to imagine it doesn’t devolve into civil war.

The establishment always loses this war game. Which is why they have been shipping illegals to small town America. Every single small town in Nebraska has a large illegal community. Some are about 70%. Like Schuyler Nebraska.

They also were getting trounced in Appalachia by the American taliban. Now that area is decimated by the opioid “epidemic”.

The establishment knows what it’s doing.

Your Brain is made from instant oatmeal

 

[JamesRussler]

"There wasn't a problem until Trump said it, it was going to fix itself, we owe them unlimited migration, it's Pinochet, it's Trump, let's pay them not to come here, don't build a wall, the obvious fix is to decriminalize, don't detain anybody and offer them handouts".

There’s nothing more American than Mexicans, bro. They work harder for less money, and they have more babies. Frankly, we should be paying them to come here. It’s what the Founders would have wanted, dude. Stop being such a Hitler.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Oh, cool, a CNN video. I'll definitely check that out.



You don't seem mentally equipped to have this conversation and are all over the road. "There wasn't a problem until Trump said it, it was going to fix itself, we owe them unlimited migration, it's Pinochet, it's Trump, let's pay them not to come here, don't build a wall, the obvious fix is to decriminalize, don't detain anybody and offer them handouts". You're just making an ass of yourself again.

Another swing and a piss of the pants. The ball on the tee, this "dems want unlimited immigrationz!!", it's not there. You're swinging at the wind.

The numbers are clear. Under dem and gop presidents we saw policies that resulted in a steady decrease over 2 decades. Then Trump comes in with racist rhetoric, cuts off aid to nation after nation, and institutes obscene policies related to border control and detainment that break the law and commit human rights abuses. The result? Higher numbers in illegal immigration, despite him poo pooing bipartisan spending packages that would have given him much more funds than he currently has for the DHS and CBP, just not for his dumbass wall that will never happen.

The proof is in the pudding, homie, and it's in Trump's pants, like all the other shit you guys listen to him say, then take at his word.

 

[hillelslovak87]

There’s nothing more American than Mexicans, bro. They work harder for less money, and they have more babies. Frankly, we should be paying them to come here. It’s what the Founders would have wanted, dude. Stop being such a Hitler.

You strike me as someone unfamiliar with the arguments contrary to your position.

 

[Ophydian]

How many millions of Chinese alone go “citizenship shopping”? Add in India, Middle East etc.....

These people then take their babies back home, and they will use American citizenship for any freebies or safety net. Like an Insurance policy.

Maybe live their lives overseas then come retire here and want free medical care and retirement benefits.

Not only that, with their loyalty stays with their “Home Countries”, and they can vote for those interests. Plenty of democrats willing to sell out America and it’s peoples future for a vote today. Look at what they do with illegals south of the border. Pamper for them votes.

It must stop, for the benefit of America, but we all know the leftists will flip out.

Can you explain to me how someone who’s lived abroad their entire life can tap into retirement benefits? I assume you SS?

Also, you cannot vote abroad unless you’re willing to be taxed by the US.

 

[JamesRussler]

You strike me as someone unfamiliar with the arguments contrary to your position.

What arguments, bro? It’s settled law n shit.