Why the hell is Tulsi still in the race?

[Jack V Savage]

You said you hadn't called her a Russian asset. I found a post you made calling her a Russian asset. Seems pretty basic. At the very least your denial was a gross misrepresentation of your true position.

No, this is more dishonest argumentation. Do I think that Gabbard is a Russian asset? Sure. Seems hard to deny. Do I want to argue about it here? No. And I hadn't brought it up in this thread.

I have a general belief that you form a solid worldview on the back of a lot of small truths. So you want to be very careful with every small discussion. But I think a lot of people take it the opposite--that they're so sure of their worldview that any smaller claim is presumed true if it serves the big one. In this discussion, I noted that Clinton's claims--that Republicans were grooming Gabbard for a third-party run and that Russia likes her--are true. The point of trying to shift to defining the nature of the relationship is about avoiding a hard look at the specific claim.

 

[Utahraptor Ostrommaysi]

And that's further twisting. What's so hard about just honestly addressing points that people really make?

Other posters on this thread have proven that you think Tusli is a Russian asset. There is no point in continuing this discussion with you because you have been proven to be disingenuous and at this point I'm starting to think that you're a troll. Goodbye, and have a nice life.

 

[Sketch]

Other posters on this thread have proven that you think Tusli is a Russian asset. There is no point in continuing this discussion with you because you have been proven to be disingenuous and at this point I'm starting to think that you're a troll. Goodbye, and have a nice life.

And just like that, another one cracks the code. Jack is one of the biggest trolls on this entire forum. Look at his post above yours just now. It’s complete word salad deliberately, and he’s entirely trolling.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Other posters on this thread have proven that you think Tusli is a Russian asset. There is no point in continuing this discussion with you because you have been proven to be disingenuous and at this point I'm starting to think that you're a troll. Goodbye, and have a nice life.

Yeah, I was thinking of ignoring you after your blatant misrepresentation of my position (which indicates that you're a waste of time for someone who believes in good-faith discussion).

 

[Nameless Ghoul]

She stays in, to allow us to continue staring at her shiny chest..

 

[Utahraptor Ostrommaysi]

And just like that, another one cracks the code. Jack is one of the biggest trolls on this entire forum. Look at his post above yours just now. It’s complete word salad deliberately, and he’s entirely trolling.

I figured as much. I'll give him credit, he's not as obvious as some of the other trolls on Sherdog. But I was able to figure him out after reading a few of his posts.

 

[all caps]

I cant help but respect the fact that jacks same old shtick works so well. The guy is a true professional.

 

[Utahraptor Ostrommaysi]

Yeah, I was thinking of ignoring you after your blatant misrepresentation of my position (which indicates that you're a waste of time for someone who believes in good-faith discussion).

Bye, have fun trolling my dude.

 

[BJ@LW&WW]

does Tulsi really want to be known as the woman who got crushed in all 50 states for the rest of her political career?

thats not really how people remember losing candidates, especially when their resumes have much more substance than simply running for office.

 

[Utahraptor Ostrommaysi]

She stays in, to allow us to continue staring at her shiny chest..

Well that's great for you straight dudes and lesbians, but what do gay dudes like me and straight chicks get to stare at?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Bye, have fun trolling my dude.

"Trolling" in this case is correcting misrepresentations of my posts. But apparently your lies are just deserved punishment for me having wrong opinions (that's your own claim).

 

[Pseudo Sane]

No, this is more dishonest argumentation. Do I think that Gabbard is a Russian asset? Sure. Seems hard to deny. Do I want to argue about it here? No. And I hadn't brought it up in this thread.

I have a general belief that you form a solid worldview on the back of a lot of small truths. So you want to be very careful with every small discussion. But I think a lot of people take it the opposite--that they're so sure of their worldview that any smaller claim is presumed true if it serves the big one. In this discussion, I noted that Clinton's claims--that Republicans were grooming Gabbard for a third-party run and that Russia likes her--are true. The point of trying to shift to defining the nature of the relationship is about avoiding a hard look at the specific claim.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. You denied calling Tulsi a Russian asset. I remembered you calling Tulsi a Russian asset in other threads. I found a post where you explicitly call Tulsi a Russian asset in another thread about Tulsi. I post the quotes showing this.

Instead of qualifying your position in any way or offer an explanation (which may certainly exist!), you have the gall to accuse me of dishonest argumentation for catching you in a gross misrepresentation. And now you are admitting you think she is a Russian asset after denying accusing her of being one only minutes earlier! How does your mind work this way?

You have a lot of gumption, that's for sure. But not much shame. I had a lot more respect for you prior to this exchange.

 

[Utahraptor Ostrommaysi]

thats not really how people remember losing candidates, especially when their resumes have much more substance than simply running for office.

Maybe, but still getting crushed in all 50 states isn't a good look for anyone. I just think it would be better for her and her career if she dropped out now and saved face.

 

[Utahraptor Ostrommaysi]

"Trolling" in this case is correcting misrepresentations of my posts. But apparently your lies are just deserved punishment for me having wrong opinions (that's your own claim).

Yes, you're always right, we're always wrong, we get it. Now go "correct misrepresentations of your posts" somewhere else please.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. You denied calling Tulsi a Russian asset.

In context, clearly I wasn't saying ever in my life, but in this discussion.

I remembered you calling Tulsi a Russian asset in other threads. I found a post where you explicitly call Tulsi a Russian asset in another thread about Tulsi. I post the quotes showing this.

Good but irrelevant.

Instead of qualifying your position in any way or offer an explanation (which may certainly exist!), you have the gall to accuse me of dishonest argumentation for catching you in a gross misrepresentation.

But being honest, there was no misrepresentation, and your attempt to shift the discussion was deceitful.

And now you are admitting you think she is a Russian asset after denying accusing her of being one only minutes earlier! How does your mind work this way?

Factually she is, but I wasn't saying that in the discussion because it was about something else. Did you see my point about discussing what we're discussing instead of seeing every discussion as a chance to litigate worldviews? I didn't think it was hard to understand.

You have a lot of gumption, that's for sure. But not much shame. I had a lot more respect for you prior to this exchange.

I think it's more that you're ashamed about your actions. I expect you'll get over it.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Yes, you're always right, we're always wrong, we get it. Now go "correct misrepresentations of your posts" somewhere else please.

I think it would be appropriate either to show where I call her a traitor or admit that you were lying to make a different point easier to address.

 

[brackis1]

Trying to help Trump, probably. Wouldn't be surprised if she gets a show on Fox after it's over, and staying in longer probably helps that effort.

This is a really strong concept.

 

[Utahraptor Ostrommaysi]

I think it would be appropriate either to show where I call her a traitor or admit that you were lying to make a different point easier to address.

No thanks, I'm not falling for your bait anymore. But nice try.

 

[Nameless Ghoul]

Well that's great for you straight dudes and lesbians, but what do gay dudes like me and straight chicks get to stare at?

 

[Utahraptor Ostrommaysi]

Uh, no thanks. Pete is a decent looking guy, but his slimy and fake personality is such a turn off for me. I think I would rather be molested by creepy uncle Joe Biden than sleep with Mayor Cheat.
Now if you showed me a pic of Andrew Yang...