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thats my impression, looking forward to 6 years of thisI see spacetime opened up a new account
thats my impression, looking forward to 6 years of thisI see spacetime opened up a new account
i mean...kickboxing in japan and US started out as full contact karate...so there is always that...I take Kickboxing to mean a mix of boxing and kicking that you learn in a gym, always wearing boxing gloves. There are styles of Kickboxing, just as there are styles of Karate. And Karate is not kickboxing since they do not wear boxing gloves and they do not use the full range of boxing punches in sparring (or the contact specificities either)
damn what did alaska do to you? lolThere are some interchangeable techniques between the two, but when you look deep you'll see a difference between the two. Ultimately depends on the more open the ruleset is. Full thai rules which means freedom on the clinch, you do see it pretty significantly.
Well, you normally look at what the style encompasses of at all levels, and aim for the higher bar to see the potential of what's offered. I don't think most people are going to look at sloppy brawlers in rural Alaska taking part in boxing fights and judge the system of boxing as a whole because the fighters there lacked significantly in movement, distance, and defense.
Nothing really, I just picked a state at random where striking sports isn't top teir. It could've been Iowa or Oklahoma. loldamn what did alaska do to you? lol
So, if Muay Thai is fundamentally different from KB regardless of region, you would expect that I can elbow someone in sparring, as one of the distinct trade marks. Yet that doesn't seem to be the case.
It's rare to have a MMA gym without a headcoach, I don't think I've seen that before, only heard about that arrangement from 2 instances from people who aren't from North America.
I do think it is becoming its own style. MMA is a ruleset yes, but practitioners practice and develop based on the rules so a style ends up being formed.
- Fence work - a whole beast on its own. Would not be the way it is if MMA was in a ring, but because the cage, its the way it is
- GnP - much more evolved, its almost an entire sub-category with it's growth since the 90s
- Stance and approach
Calf kicks being the popular thing today would never get traction in kick fighting, but because of the stance and gameplan required for MMA, it does have some success. It's one reason why I think its not too fair to give a harsh critique on the finer details in striking to MMA, its a hybrid sport which ends up having certain areas lack for the jack of the trades combination it brings; In a related way, I can't exactly give a strict comparison of top elite boxers to the boxing of nak muays when its in a similar boat.
I get a feeling in the future there will be more Rory Mac types that came up in MMA than the classical specialists who transitioned over.
Don’t throw elbows in sparring, period.If I take a Muay Thai class in Europe, will I elbow someone in sparring? If I don't, then it's just like (traditional) Karate and TKD. Elbow, low kicks and knees to mitts but not in sparring.
clinch, trips, sweeps, dumps, elbows.If you want to distinguish Muay Thai from Kickboxing, you have to point to things they always train in Muay Thai that they never train in Kickboxing. Can you do that?
Nothing really, I just picked a state at random where striking sports isn't top teir. It could've been Iowa or Oklahoma. lol
hey now leave iowa out of this!Nothing really, I just picked a state at random where striking sports isn't top teir. It could've been Iowa or Oklahoma. lol
sounds like karate to meDon’t throw elbows in sparring, period.
clinch, trips, sweeps, dumps, elbows.
Yeah but the NY accent is pretty hard it forces ppl to shell up their ears or you get eardrum tko'd esp if they're long island accent trainedI rank average alaskan guys striking higher than average new yorkers.
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Not enough pyjama, no washing belt, cult worshipsounds like karate to me
thus far you're right.No. All of the top MMA fighters ever, came from certain high level individual styles be it kickboxing, Judo, wrestling then rounded out their game when they transitioned to mma.
This approach will always defeat a non specialist who just learned 'mma' at a gym but is not elite at any one skillset.
There are adaptations to fighting in a ring or cage.
But the name MMA itself tells you it is not a style, and there are many styles that you could use to create a skillset to fight MMA.
Thats in the present time, but in the future it will probably end up as its own style. The methods and techniques you start to see are in the early stages of that. Besides there are approaches that from single disciplines that would get you in bad doodoo in MMA.No. All of the top MMA fighters ever, came from certain high level individual styles be it kickboxing, Judo, wrestling then rounded out their game when they transitioned to mma.
This approach will always defeat a non specialist who just learned 'mma' at a gym but is not elite at any one skillset.
There are adaptations to fighting in a ring or cage.
But the name MMA itself tells you it is not a style, and there are many styles that you could use to create a skillset to fight MMA.
Not enough pyjama, no washing belt, cult worship