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Wtf sort of wikicap is that
UFC 259: Blachowicz vs Adesanya
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Yadong isn't very good. He's fortunate to have that draw against Stamman to say the least. That was a horrible decision. Also thought Chito clearly beat him but it was close at least. I wouldn't be shocked if Philips beat him. His defense standing is pretty bad he takes a lot of hits.
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On a interview with TSN i saw today Adesanya said he has some new tricks planned for UFC 259
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Honestly thinking of switching sides at the last minute to Yan over Sterling.
Rewatched a bunch of Yan's fights, he has a great ground game.
If he gets his back taken by Sterling, will he be in trouble? Yes.
But his grappling has improved tremendously in the past 5 years. His TDD is spectacular, Sterling is going to eat a lot of shots trying to take him down, and probably be unsuccessful doing so.
I hate using mma math, but a lot of people are putting so much stock into Sterling's win over Sandhagen. Yan's TDD and BJJ are on a different level than Cory's.
Rewatched a bunch of Yan's fights, he has a great ground game.
If he gets his back taken by Sterling, will he be in trouble? Yes.
But his grappling has improved tremendously in the past 5 years. His TDD is spectacular, Sterling is going to eat a lot of shots trying to take him down, and probably be unsuccessful doing so.
I hate using mma math, but a lot of people are putting so much stock into Sterling's win over Sandhagen. Yan's TDD and BJJ are on a different level than Cory's.
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everyone says that
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Not if you hit a huge 1
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That is true but if you are not a big gambler who spends hundred or even thousands on parlays why not spend 5-10$ on a parlay a couple of them an event and you should hit 1 of them eventually hopefully its a good payout parlay and not one of those shitty 105$ win or nothing like that
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Yan a different level of bjj than sandhagen? I’d highly disagree
I would say sterling is on a different level of grappling than yan. I dont think that’s a stretch.
I’d like to know which fights you’re referencing that show yan has mid tier bjj
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Im curious what fight will be canceled
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I think it's 60/40 whether she gets a KO or sub, really wouldn't be surprised which one she gets.
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Since most of the thread and content online seem to be people raving about Adesanya I am going to make the case against him, just something to think about.
Izzys championship run has seen him take on some great fighters, but they all lacked some very important physical attributes that Jan possesses. Gastelum, Whittaker, Romero, and Costa had reaches of 71.5, 73.5, 73.5, and 72 inches respectively. These reaches put them at a massive deficit in reach to Israel who has an 80 inch reach. This reach advantage played a significant role in Israels success against many of them, primarily Gastelum and Whitaker because both men had to rush in to land shots on Israel. Israel manages distance very well and is a master of keeping his opponents outside of striking range. Whittaker was knocked out after rushing in during the second round, he also was knocked down at the end of the first round after rushing in. Gastelums willingness to rush in to close distance and accuracy when doing so threw Israel off guard and is why he had the most success of any of Israels former opponents. But it also was his downfall because Israel was able to knock him down three times in the fifth round of their fight, when a concussed Gastelum kept charging forward because he had to.
Jan has a 78.5 inch reach, he does not need to rush in for him to close distance and be in range. I also think it is important to be cognizant of the fact that Israel allowed himself to be hit with many powerful shots when Whittaker and Gastelum rushed in to close distance. If he allows Jan who has shown himself to not only be extremely accurate but also powerful in close quarters to get these shots off Israel will not be able to shake them off. Jan has a left hook that put away Luke Rockhold and Dominick Reyes and he loves to throw it in close range. Israel may be a master of keeping his opponents out of range, as we saw against Costa, but he also as we saw with Gastelum is occasionally a little too willing to brawl with his opponents when they get a shot off.
We have yet to see Israel on the ground for an extended period of time, but we have seen him be susceptible to his opponents (Gastelum/Brunson) being able to force a clinch. Israel has great takedown defense, but that is not going to be enough because if Jan is able to get him up against the cage he will keep him there as long as the ref will allow. If Israel weighs in at 195 he is going to be at a significant disadvantage if Jan is able to repeatedly force the clinch ala Gastelum. Derek Brunson may have been knocked out in the first round against Israel because he was not setting up his takedowns with punches and just going for them guns blazing, but he was also able to force Israel into a clinch and had Israel as flustered as we have ever seen him during a fight. Israel was able to break out of the clinch versus Brunson and even reverse position, this is not something he will be able to do easily against Jan if he weighs in at 195, he will go no where and Jan will be able to slowly deplete his energy.
Finally, while Israel has all the tools to beat Jan who is at a very clear technical disadvantage, it is a mistake to assume Israel will deploy these tools and fight to the best of his abilities. Israel has shown himself to be susceptible to the wims of his opponents. Yoel refused to lead during his fight with Israel, preferring to take on the role of the counter puncher, and was able to win the first two rounds of their title fight because of Israels inability to adjust during those first two rounds.
Israel did eventually adjust to Yoel by deploying leg kicks that severely compromised his mobility, but such an adjustment would have been difficult to make if his opponent had a 78 inch reach as Jan does. Paulo Costa was seemingly attempting to utilize a strategy similar to Yoels and refusing to engage unless Israel struck first, but to his credit Israel was immediately able to capitalize on this by throwing a range of leg kicks that quickly compromised the mobility of Costa who has a negative reach relative to his 6'1 height; such a strategy will not be able to be implemented against Jan if he refuses to engage.
This fight is much closer than the -235/+195 line reflects, and will be primarily be decided upon the game Jan chooses to implement. Jan is a very calculated fighter and should he approach the fight with the patience he did against Jacare Souza, where he showed off impressive wrestling and tremendous ability to grapple off the fence, then Izzy is in for a tough fight. Jan was able to sink in a standing rear naked choke against Devin Clark and if he is able to tie Izzy up on the fence I believe he will win by decision or submit him. If he chooses to get into a kickboxing match with Israel I see Israel beating him up for several rounds and eventually TKOing him. I would like to think Jan cares more about retaining his belt than putting on an exciting action filled fight with Israel so I will side with Jan winning by UD due to three rounds of holding Israel on the fence.
Izzys championship run has seen him take on some great fighters, but they all lacked some very important physical attributes that Jan possesses. Gastelum, Whittaker, Romero, and Costa had reaches of 71.5, 73.5, 73.5, and 72 inches respectively. These reaches put them at a massive deficit in reach to Israel who has an 80 inch reach. This reach advantage played a significant role in Israels success against many of them, primarily Gastelum and Whitaker because both men had to rush in to land shots on Israel. Israel manages distance very well and is a master of keeping his opponents outside of striking range. Whittaker was knocked out after rushing in during the second round, he also was knocked down at the end of the first round after rushing in. Gastelums willingness to rush in to close distance and accuracy when doing so threw Israel off guard and is why he had the most success of any of Israels former opponents. But it also was his downfall because Israel was able to knock him down three times in the fifth round of their fight, when a concussed Gastelum kept charging forward because he had to.
Jan has a 78.5 inch reach, he does not need to rush in for him to close distance and be in range. I also think it is important to be cognizant of the fact that Israel allowed himself to be hit with many powerful shots when Whittaker and Gastelum rushed in to close distance. If he allows Jan who has shown himself to not only be extremely accurate but also powerful in close quarters to get these shots off Israel will not be able to shake them off. Jan has a left hook that put away Luke Rockhold and Dominick Reyes and he loves to throw it in close range. Israel may be a master of keeping his opponents out of range, as we saw against Costa, but he also as we saw with Gastelum is occasionally a little too willing to brawl with his opponents when they get a shot off.
We have yet to see Israel on the ground for an extended period of time, but we have seen him be susceptible to his opponents (Gastelum/Brunson) being able to force a clinch. Israel has great takedown defense, but that is not going to be enough because if Jan is able to get him up against the cage he will keep him there as long as the ref will allow. If Israel weighs in at 195 he is going to be at a significant disadvantage if Jan is able to repeatedly force the clinch ala Gastelum. Derek Brunson may have been knocked out in the first round against Israel because he was not setting up his takedowns with punches and just going for them guns blazing, but he was also able to force Israel into a clinch and had Israel as flustered as we have ever seen him during a fight. Israel was able to break out of the clinch versus Brunson and even reverse position, this is not something he will be able to do easily against Jan if he weighs in at 195, he will go no where and Jan will be able to slowly deplete his energy.
Finally, while Israel has all the tools to beat Jan who is at a very clear technical disadvantage, it is a mistake to assume Israel will deploy these tools and fight to the best of his abilities. Israel has shown himself to be susceptible to the wims of his opponents. Yoel refused to lead during his fight with Israel, preferring to take on the role of the counter puncher, and was able to win the first two rounds of their title fight because of Israels inability to adjust during those first two rounds.
Israel did eventually adjust to Yoel by deploying leg kicks that severely compromised his mobility, but such an adjustment would have been difficult to make if his opponent had a 78 inch reach as Jan does. Paulo Costa was seemingly attempting to utilize a strategy similar to Yoels and refusing to engage unless Israel struck first, but to his credit Israel was immediately able to capitalize on this by throwing a range of leg kicks that quickly compromised the mobility of Costa who has a negative reach relative to his 6'1 height; such a strategy will not be able to be implemented against Jan if he refuses to engage.
This fight is much closer than the -235/+195 line reflects, and will be primarily be decided upon the game Jan chooses to implement. Jan is a very calculated fighter and should he approach the fight with the patience he did against Jacare Souza, where he showed off impressive wrestling and tremendous ability to grapple off the fence, then Izzy is in for a tough fight. Jan was able to sink in a standing rear naked choke against Devin Clark and if he is able to tie Izzy up on the fence I believe he will win by decision or submit him. If he chooses to get into a kickboxing match with Israel I see Israel beating him up for several rounds and eventually TKOing him. I would like to think Jan cares more about retaining his belt than putting on an exciting action filled fight with Israel so I will side with Jan winning by UD due to three rounds of holding Israel on the fence.
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All this is cool that you posted, but I'll shorten it for you. I already think this is the fight Adesanya loses. It's not going to be the 5 round decision style loss like Holloway took to Poirier. It's not going the distance. I don't think Izzy can keep his distance 5 rounds in a tiny cage without getting hit one good time and getting wobbled.
I also think there's a reason he claims to want to defend at 185 to keep the division moving. I think it's his way of saying if he loses this weekend, his intention was to be great at 185, the 205 thing was just to land the Jones fight.
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I just wanted to lay it out for folks in detail because Israel is a fan favorite and many don't realize all of his title fights have been against opponents whose immutable physical charachteristics allowed him to implement his gameplan. If the requisite physical charachteristics are not there Israel needs to take the fight to his opponent and he has had trouble doing this.
Everyone seems to think Jans grappling is going to be nullified by Israels TDD and he is just going to engage in a kickboxing match where Israel can pick him apart, but they forget you don't need to be on the ground to grapple and if Jan can force Izzy up against the cage he will be able to keep him there if Izzy comes in as light as he has said. And we have seen how comfortable Jan is grappling on the fence, so it seems like the natural game plan, and one that is going to be hard for Israel to overcome and force him to engage Jan if he has not already been mathematically eliminated on the judges scorecards.
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You know I said the same thing earlier and someone else said Jan wouldn't be able to catch and hold Izzy in place. Yeah, ok........
Anyways, I think there's a likelihood Ulberg loses this weekend. Why isnt this fight even odds? Ulberg has defensive lapses and tall man defense and hes unproven. Am I missing something? Nzechukwu should be able to jab to a win here no problem
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Nzechukwu sucks at using his range. He would have lost to Darko but Darko gassed and had 2 points deducted for groin shots. Darko is 0-3 in the ufc but Kenndy should be 0-2.
According to City Kickboxing's Eugene Bearman Ulberg has 20 pro kickboxing matches and 6 mma fights. I think Carlo's striking is significantly better than Kennedy's, jab and all. All Kennedy does is follow is opponent looking for jab straights. Ulberg should be able to pull counter Nzechukwu without much trouble or push him back with his low/body kicks.
According to City Kickboxing's Eugene Bearman Ulberg has 20 pro kickboxing matches and 6 mma fights. I think Carlo's striking is significantly better than Kennedy's, jab and all. All Kennedy does is follow is opponent looking for jab straights. Ulberg should be able to pull counter Nzechukwu without much trouble or push him back with his low/body kicks.
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The only thing I would disagree with is that I think Jan finishes Izzy. I think Jan's jab, low kick and self-belief will debilitate Izzy enough for Jan to get this fight into short boxing range and clinch fighting where Jan takes Izzy out. I hope so anyway.
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foot stomps + cage stall.
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he isn't too willing to brawl with his opponents as much as you think. He had a significant size and reach advantage over Kelvin. He was significantly faster than Whittaker, dodging most of his strikes and landing before Whittaker could.
I think Izzy overlooked Kelvin and didn't realize how good Kelvin is in a pure stand up match. It's highly unlikely that Izzy will initiate brawls with Jan like he did with Kelvin and Whittaker. IF Jan can force exchanges, he'll KO him. But I see Izzy running around the cage and avoiding big exchanges. We might see an Izzy vs Romero 2.0
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I do think Jan could TKO Izzy but this is dependent upon forcing clinch situations during the first three rounds and banking them. If Izzy knows he is down three rounds he is going to engage Jan at which point Jan could land a big shot. Yoel nearly was able to force Izzy into this kind of situation but the leg kicks during the third round immobilized Yoel who then proceeded to just get picked apart for the last three rounds of their fight.
To be clear, I don't believe Izzy is willing to just brawl with his opponents, it was only Kelvin who as you said he had a very significant size and reach advantage over. The problem though with that was Kelvin ended up hurting him and tied on the judges scorecards going into the 5th round.
He learned from his mistakes against Kelvin and when Whitaker would rush in due to the significant reach disadvantage he was far more patient and defensive; before knocking down Whittaker and ultimately finishing him. My problem with how he fought Whittaker as it relates to Jan is if he allows Jan to get off the kinds of shots Whittaker did in close quarters he is going to be grounded with the same left hook that finished Rockhold and Reyes; and ironically Alex Pereirra knocked him out with during his kickboxing days. Whittaker did land some shots on Izzy that a more powerful opponent may have knocked him out with; though to land those shots he had to take risks that ultimately got him finished.
I do think Jan is going to be able to force those exchanges if he is able to tie Izzy up on the fence during the first three rounds and bank them with relatively low output from both men; with Jan winning due to control. Izzy won't have any other option but to engage Jan if he believes he is down on the judges scorecards.
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