UFC 260: Stipe vs Ngannou 2

[mkess101]

“Even if everything I have posted is stupid I am still going to post some other stupid shit”

Two posts later

“Oh I will change my mind based on other people’s opinions.”

I will give you 100 dollars to fuck off and that’s not even a lie

Ahahaha this is one of the funniest posts ever.

I'm damn near pissing myself I'm laughing so hard at the last line. Fucking brilliant.

 

[Deleted member 316645]

Personally I thought Woodley had his moments against Burns but Burns cardio isn't amazing honestly. I thought Tyron looked alot more washed against Colby though. A little grappling in r1 and he looked pretty gassed. He really just wanted out by r5 in that fight. He totally broke after one late TD in r4 and didn't want to get finished.

Maybe he can hold top position or wall and stall but I doubt he Brunson's his way to a decision against the bigger man here. I really think even a gassed Luque is going to hurt Woodley here. Tyron has also been getting cut open alot more lately too.

I was actually impressed with his grappling in the Burns fight.

Burns rocked him, took full mount, and was able to do absolutely nothing with it. Woodley actually reversed the position and got up.

But yeah, we haven't seen him offensively wrestle since the WB fights briefly, and in SF.

 

[Sono07]

Yeah I'm really really starting to like Omar here. Chikadze's kickboxing is pretty legit. Omar still managed to get into range and hurt him early. I don't think Morales will have to fight nearly as defensively as his last fight and he is dangerous in boxing range.

 

[Sono07]

I was actually impressed with his grappling in the Burns fight.

Burns rocked him, took full mount, and was able to do absolutely nothing with it. Woodley actually reversed the position and got up.

But yeah, we haven't seen him offensively wrestle since the WB fights briefly, and in SF.

Considering how Burns gas tank imploded in the Usman fight that could be why Tyron had some successful.

On a random note. I guess WB had Tyron clinched against the fence at one point and Woodley actually bit his finger in one of their fights lmao. Probably not relevant but at least pretty funny to me.

 

[Sono07]

Absolutely horrible match up for Young here. Both men fight the exact same way but Omar is significantly better at it. Omar KO early.

 

[Broe.]

Absolutely horrible match up for Young here. Both men fight the exact same way but Omar is significantly better at it. Omar KO early.

That fight was cancelled like a week ago

 

[Sono07]

That fight was cancelled like a week ago

It was, then it wasn't. Young is going to wish it stayed that way though.

 

[Captain Chesapeake]

I just posted a hot take on Woodley, then I went back and read his posts and I think my timing on articulating my read is off, I don't want me and this fucking guy to be the only Woodley backers hahaha holy shit

I’m on woodley as well.

 

[Captain Chesapeake]

Absolutely horrible match up for Young here. Both men fight the exact same way but Omar is significantly better at it. Omar KO early.

I don’t think they fight the same way much at all. Young is a pressure fighter who relies on head movement for defense and boxes with volume.

Omar likes to counter more, throws everything he has into every shot and typically throws one shot at a time. He has crushing body kicks. His defense is nothing to right home about either. Giga had him tripping over his own feet a couple times in their fight.

despite throwing so hard, he has zero knockouts or knockdowns in the ufc unless you count dwcs.

I like morales much more as a fighter but something about this style match up is making me think this will be a close fight

 

[Sono07]

I don’t think they fight the same way much at all. Young is a pressure fighter who relies on head movement for defense and boxes with volume.

Omar likes to counter more, throws everything he has into every shot and typically throws one shot at a time. He has crushing body kicks. His defense is nothing to right home about either. Giga had him tripping over his own feet a couple times in their fight.

despite throwing so hard, he has zero knockouts or knockdowns in the ufc unless you count dwcs.

I like morales much more as a fighter but something about this style match up is making me think this will be a close fight

The only way this is close is if Young pulls a Diaz and tires him out with his face. If Young moves his head it is usually into his opponents punches. Both men prefer to pressure forward and can be hit but Omar's defense is significantly better.

You are right Omar likes to counter punch, probably because his boxing is much more technical and impactful. Youngs boxing might be worse than Mullarkey's honestly and unlike that fight Omar will be the bigger grappling threat here too.

Young pressures his opponents by eating punches and fighting behind a very basic jab. He covers his chin with it but his constant use of only that jab and forward movement to enter into range leaves him wide open to be countered by a powerful striker like Omar.

Omar may not have any UFC KO's but honestly that's my biggest lean of the card right now(a very dominate win at the very least). Before Francis, Luque, Worthy all of it. Giga Chikadze would shit mix Young and so will Omar. Boxing behind his chin won't go well here. Almost Montel vs Strader levels of difference in my opinion.

 

[Captain Chesapeake]

The only way this is close is if Young pulls a Diaz and tires him out with his face. If Young moves his head it is usually into his opponents punches. Both men prefer to pressure forward and can be hit but Omar's defense is significantly better.

You are right Omar likes to counter punch, probably because his boxing is much more technical and impactful. Youngs boxing might be worse than Mullarkey's honestly and unlike that fight Omar will be the bigger grappling threat here too.

Young pressures his opponents by eating punches and fighting behind a very basic jab. He covers his chin with it but his constant use of only that jab and forward movement to enter into range leaves him wide open to be countered by a powerful striker like Omar.

Omar may not have any UFC KO's but honestly that's my biggest lean of the card right now(a very dominate win at the very least). Before Francis, Luque, Worthy all of it. Giga Chikadze would shit mix Young and so will Omar. Boxing behind his chin won't go well here. Almost Montel vs Strader levels of difference in my opinion.

Yea, young gets hit a lot and I don’t like his willingness to stand in the pocket, trade and try to slip shots.

If Omar threw more combinations and wasn’t alway looking for a kill shot this would be a no brainer for me.

I thought for sure morales would finish dong hyun ma and bet big on his itd line. Got burned there pretty bad, so that could be why I’m hesitant to pull the trigger

 

[Stat_Collector]

Omar has a previous muay Thai exp and iska title. I emphasis a lot that previous experience matters. This is a huge plus, the more fights a fighter has the more information they have to draw from. Sometimes the rule don't always apply.

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Before I go on a rant about Woodley here, I've been thinking about playing Stipe by submission. He had a ton of ground control where he could have gotten Francis out of there last time I thought, unless I'm misremembering.

Now, Woodley, man, you guys make me feel like a huge Woodley hater. I really have never been terribly impressed with the guy. He's got some skills, but I just see his resume as one with a ton of nuance to it.

Lawler is his best win imo, and even it... I don't want to call it a fluke, but I think it was an unlikely occurrence and potentially linked to the absolute wars Robbie was in leading up to it. He was never really the same after that fight. Was it cuz of this? I don't know.

I didn't think he beat Thompson in either outing, he's tailor made to beat Maia, he matches up very well with Till. His win over Condit is weird. Gastelum was hospitalized before their fight and it was still super close (did Woodley have something wrong with him too here? I can't remember).

I do think Luque is a big step down, but the guy is up there in age and has retained virtually the same fighting style for getting close to a decade. And it's a style with some very obvious and executable counters.

I think Luque it's safe to say that Luque is likely a better striker than Burns, and he nearly took Woodley out in R1. I think if Luque rocks him like that, he's going to find the finish. I suppose there's a chance Woodley could dead him, but I don't know if he's going to have the time or space or energy to land the hail mary bomb.

 

[svmr_db]

James Krause:

- Likes o1.5 rounds in main event, doesn’t think Stipe will get nuked fast
- Would back Stipe if forced to back a side, doesn’t like to back fighters like Ngannou who seemingly only have one way to win
- Likes O’Malley even straight up @ -330. Thinks Almeida is too predictable and O’Malley will time him. Also likes fight not going the distance.
- He’s parlaying O’Malley ML with Woodley / Luque o2.5 rounds. Trusts Luque’s durability and thinks Woodley has something to prove.

Nick Kalikas:

- Likes Ngannou at near pick em odds, by no means is he super confident in him winning but can’t pass up a chance to get Ngannou at these odds.
- Thinks (like most of us) if fight goes o1.5 rounds that Stipe wins
- Likes Mullarkey as an underdog, thinks he has more paths to victory than Worthy

Bonus: Oliveira vs Chandler / Usman vs Masvidal 2

- James: Likes Chandler, dictate where fight takes place, speed and power advantage. Doesn’t think Oliveira will get him down. Thinks Chandler will catch him.
- Respects Masvidal but thinks Usman has more ways to win. Thinks fight will look like the first one, thinks Masvidal may have some nice striking moments but trusts Usman’s durability as shown from the Burns fight.

- Nick: Also likes Chandler, doesn’t think market is respecting Chandler, perhaps because of his time in Bellator. Also notes power, speed and wrestling advantage.
- Thinks Usman will win again but doesn’t think you can play him @ -400ish.

 

[Martialbeef]

I wonder, Woodley Luque fight doesn’t go the distance at plus money... betting against Woodley’s chin. Maybe parley material.

 

[Stat_Collector]

Jaime got a pretty left hook.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Rewatching recent Almeida losses Ive noticed alot of the issues hes had are with good jabs. Font has one of the best ones in the sport. Jimmie is really good with his too, and doubling up body shots and building combos off it. Martinez for all his faults has a solid jab as well

Sean really doesnt have one. He dictates the distance alot with his footwork and range.

I might play this one live. If Sean doesnt KO Thomas early I like Almeidas chances here. I dont think Sean has a cohesive enough game to win long against him.

 

[guesswhoseback]

This is the betting thread, people are reading it to potentially gain insight to make informed decisions about the wagers they place. What you just said is hyperbolic, innacurate, and not something constructive for those hoping to gain insight and make more informed wagers.

Post away about how Khama has no chin because he was knocked out a lot 5-6-7 years ago when he was getting paid $100 a fight and fighting at Featherweight. Bet the house on a guy that has a -2.5 striking differential because he throw one strike a minute knocking out a guy that owns a boxing gym.

I am not even going to waste my time.

Apparently you are because you commented

 

[Spath]

Rewatching recent Almeida losses Ive noticed alot of the issues hes had are with good jabs. Font has one of the best ones in the sport. Jimmie is really good with his too, and doubling up body shots and building combos off it. Martinez for all his faults has a solid jab as well

Sean really doesnt have one. He dictates the distance alot with his footwork and range.

I might play this one live. If Sean doesnt KO Thomas early I like Almeidas chances here. I dont think Sean has a cohesive enough game to win long against him.

Sean is one of the best strikers in the division offensively, though. He might not display a brilliant jab but he’s got a bag full of sharp tools and knows how and when to use them.

Watching his last few fights I’m always impressed how fuuuucking fast and flowy he is with his striking. I dislike his whole persona and I won’t listen to a thing he says, but the guy is offensively terrifyingly good. His timing is great as well.

I think Almeida will get cracked early in the fight and kind of shell up, I think he’ll look a lot slower and will hesitate to engage. That’ll cost him.

I’m thinking of going big on O’Malley via finish and like I said, I really don’t care about the guy.

 

[Sono07]

Any opinions on Robertsons wrestling/ takedowns? I know her bjj is legit but if she can't get it to the ground I can see Maverick tagging her alot. Gillian isn't known for her striking. Maverick is also a bjj brown belt (not sure if it is MCdojo level or not) and I think she does a decent job maintaining her range.