Green Bay Packers 2021 Offseason

[Gregolian]

Kuhn said this pretty much boils down to Rodgers wanting to stay in GB until he is 40. It's not even about the money. I really didn't think Rodgers wanted to up and leave and have to gain new chemistry with new players.

So what does Gute do with Love? Does he just sit? He'd have to be traded if they give Rodgers an extension.

It’s a wasted pick but if you keep Rodgers and extend him you have to trade Love at a loss. Send him to like Jax for Minshew and a 5th or some shit.

 

[Deffid]

Kuhn said this pretty much boils down to Rodgers wanting to stay in GB until he is 40. It's not even about the money. I really didn't think Rodgers wanted to up and leave and have to gain new chemistry with new players.

So what does Gute do with Love? Does he just sit? He'd have to be traded if they give Rodgers an extension.

It’s a wasted pick but if you keep Rodgers and extend him you have to trade Love at a loss. Send him to like Jax for Minshew and a 5th or some shit.

Seems like my below post from a few days ago was mostly on point after all. Everything else was PR to somehow justify this power move.

So, will they give up on the Love plan? I'm not sure. I'm not even sure if I would do it given the current situation, what I would have done is not draft Love in the first place lol.

@Trotsky

Just so much projection with Love, but Gutekunst is a scout at heart and I assume he wants to find out what love can do/if he can reach his ceiling or busts.

It's tough to even form an opinion on this because no one, except for the involved persons, actually knows what exactly his demands and problems are. Furthermore no one knows how serious he is about not coming back and how much of a bluff it is.

My best guess is:
- Packers want to be able to move on in 2022 or 2023
- Rodgers knows this and is pissed off because he is just a placeholder
- he actually wants or at least wanted to remain a Packer
- both sides negotiate, he wants a deal that would crush the timeline AND fresh, guaranteed money - Packers want to remain flexible and their offered extension shows that; both sides unwilling to give in
- Rodgers side leaks the story on draft day to put the maximum pressure on the Packers

So, IMO, he wants to blow up that Jordan Love plan and get tons of fresh money. If they don't give in -> trade.

I absolutely don't think he demands to fire Gutekunst or anything like that.

 

[Trotsky]

Seems like my below post from a few days ago was mostly on point after all. Everything else was PR to somehow justify this power move.

So, will they give up on the Love plan? I'm not sure. I'm not even sure if I would do it given the current situation, what I would have done is not draft Love in the first place lol.

@Trotsky

Just so much projection with Love, but Gutekunst is a scout at heart and I assume he wants to find out what love can do/if he can reach his ceiling or busts.

Meh, fuck all this. Rodgers is a douche. But Love is ALL projection at this point. He's arm strength and that's it, at least per his college tape.

EDIT: And, yeah, what you said is exactly what Eisen said, which i thought was spot on.

 

[Deffid]

Meh, fuck all this. Rodgers is a douche. But Love is ALL projection at this point. He's arm strength and that's it, at least per his college tape.

EDIT: And, yeah, what you said is exactly what Eisen said, which i thought was spot on.

Gonna be interesting to see how it plays out, especially because Rodgers is nowhere near the person to agree to some middle ground solution, which could be "we give you 2021+2022+more money; but then it's Love!". This is basically an "it's me or him and you have to decide now" situation.

 

[Gregolian]

Fuck Schefty

 

[INeedARemedy]

Hahahahahahahahaha

 

[Gregolian]

Hahahahahahahahaha

I'll still use him as a source to check some of the pages I follow that report on transactions but shit that comes from him about rumors from now on?

He can go fuck himself and be buried with the likes of Alex Jones and shit for all I care.

 

[Gregolian]

 

[ralphc1]

Alright, my opinion is starting to sway on the matter. A lot of what's being reported is bullshit or straight up lies. I'm half expecting the next "report" to be that one of ARod's teammates watched him spit in Gutes coffee.

Rodgers has said publicly that he wanted to play until he is at least 40 and wanted it to be with the Packers but he had no control over that. Football is a business and he can't guarantee how long he will be with the Packers.

Now Shefter says it wasn't some recent information but reports he has accumulated.

These reporters just start shit to stay relevant. Look at how this played out with some claiming that it was Rodgers camp putting it out and others claiming it was the Packers putting it out. It's one of those things that each side thinks the other did it because they know they didn't do it and it creates animosity. Whenever somebody won't name their sources, you can't depend on them.

 

[Deffid]

I don't believe him, seems like trying to protect his sources now. There is literally no one but Rodgers who would have a reason that this should come out on draft day.

If my assumption is true, he's a scumbag, if what he suddenly says now is true, he's still a scumbag. He got burned big time.

Rapoport >>>

 

[Gregolian]

I don't believe him, seems like trying to protect his sources now. There is literally no one but Rodgers who would have a reason that this should come out on draft day.

If my assumption is true, he's a scumbag, if what he suddenly says now is true, he's still a scumbag. He got burned big time.

Rapoport >>>

It’s Schefty that put it out.

He put out Luck choosing to retire WHILE THE COLTS WERE PLAYING A PRESEASON GAME WITH LUCK ON THE SIDELINE and got all defensive how he “had to get it out before someone else did” NEVERMIND what it’d do to luck.

 

[Deffid]

It’s Schefty that put it out.

He put out Luck choosing to retire WHILE THE COLTS WERE PLAYING A PRESEASON GAME WITH LUCK ON THE SIDELINE and got all defensive how he “had to get it out before someone else did” NEVERMIND what it’d do to luck.

The public opinion heavily shifted towards the Packers in the past few days, now within the last 24h (or even less) you have Kuhn, James Jones and AJ Hawk doing PR for Rodgers and Schefter suddenly paddling back. I suppose what Schefter says now could be true, but damn this all looks so fabricated and so much like damage control.

Imagine if there was a person who could clear all this up, though...

 

[Gregolian]

The public opinion heavily shifted towards the Packers in the past few days, now within the last 24h (or even less) you have Kuhn, James Jones and AJ Hawk doing PR for Rodgers and Schefter suddenly paddling back. I suppose what Schefter says now could be true, but damn this all looks so fabricated and so much like damage control.

Imagine if there was a person who could clear all this up, though...

I get it and I admit I already wasn't a huge fan of Schefter given how he burned Andrew Luck.

 

[ralphc1]

You can fool some of the people all of the time and that's sufficient.

Schefter puts this out there. The other "insiders" have to match that so they claim their own "sources" and the rumors go wild. I said from the start that I want to hear it from Rodgers.

 

[Gregolian]

You can fool some of the people all of the time and that's sufficient.

Schefter puts this out there. The other "insiders" have to match that so they claim their own "sources" and the rumors go wild. I said from the start that I want to hear it from Rodgers.

I'll take the fact that we don't see Bahk, Aaron Jones, Adams, Tonyan, Z, Preston, Jaire, and Amos Tweeting about (barring mocking "sources" like Amos did or Adams cryptic Tweet) in addition to Kuhn, James Jones, and Hawk saying "it's not firing Gute, it's not even money and it's fixable" over Schefter and Rappaport's "sources" at this stage.

 

[Trotsky]

Schefter is still the best insider in the sport by far, but if he really chose to break on Draft Day (seems unlikely) he's a dick.

More likely that this is the Rodgers camp playing PR chess after public opinion tides turned against them.

 

[Gregolian]

Schefter is still the best insider in the sport by far, but if he really chose to break on Draft Day (seems unlikely) he's a dick.

More likely that this is the Rodgers camp playing PR chess after public opinion tides turned against them.

Schefter is a colossal dick already. He admitted he put out the Luck story because "my job is to get stuff out first" without taking into consideration Luck was standing on the sideline of Lucas Oil Stadium while the Colts were in a preseason game and because of Schefter, the guy got boo'd out of the building as fans didn't get to hear from Luck WHY he chose to retire.

Schefter has a tendency to shoot off without thought for timing and given the Luck thing... I'd wager he put this out on draft day without a care in the world of how his story full of conjecture and speculation would overshadow the entire draft process.

 

[Deffid]

I get it and I admit I already wasn't a huge fan of Schefter given how he burned Andrew Luck.

I mean, why would he break a huge story on the day of round one anyway? That already gets a gazillion of views, clicks, whatever.

Schefter is still the best insider in the sport by far, but if he really chose to break on Draft Day (seems unlikely) he's a dick.

More likely that this is the Rodgers camp playing PR chess after public opinion tides turned against them.

Exactly. Kuhn, Jones, Hawk defending him heavily and now Schefter doing this...if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

 

[ralphc1]

The public opinion heavily shifted towards the Packers in the past few days, now within the last 24h (or even less) you have Kuhn, James Jones and AJ Hawk doing PR for Rodgers and Schefter suddenly paddling back. I suppose what Schefter says now could be true, but damn this all looks so fabricated and so much like damage control.

Imagine if there was a person who could clear all this up, though...

Why would Rodgers go on any of the networks? They have run with this with no real sources. If you watched Rodgers on McAfee when he was doing interviews Tuesday during football season, he discussed why he did McAfee's show and didn't do others. He talked about the douche bag reporters that deal in rumors who have an agenda they are pushing. On McAfee, he feels like he can talk more openly and honestly and people can see what he is really like.

I suspect that eventually Aaron will talk about it and McAfee's show might be where he will do it.

 

[INeedARemedy]

Why would Rodgers go on any of the networks? They have run with this with no real sources. If you watched Rodgers on McAfee when he was doing interviews Tuesday during football season, he discussed why he did McAfee's show and didn't do others. He talked about the douche bag reporters that deal in rumors who have an agenda they are pushing. On McAfee, he feels like he can talk more openly and honestly and people can see what he is really like.

I suspect that eventually Aaron will talk about it and McAfee's show might be where he will do it.

Agree 100%