Law Derek Chauvin to be sentenced today. Update-22.5 years in prison

[idrankyourbeer]

The trial in no way showed what you said. It actually showed the complete opposite and that it was a narrative of multiple different things that led to his death. The prosecution's own experts showed that.

I never said Chauvin was innocent at all.

My assumption is that you didn't watch it and just want to troll with the whole deep state conspiracy crap.

part of the guidelines on those 2nd and 3rd degree murder charges is that the prosecution has to demonstrate that the defendants actions ultimately lead to the victims death. if the jury cannot agree on that, they cannot find him guilty on those charges. period.

the entire trial consisted solely of the prosecutors doing exactly just that and presenting their evidence, while easilly refuting all of the defenses about how he could have died from a heart attack, drug overdose, car exhaust, and all the rest of their wackadoodle theories they came up with to try to raise doubt and blame floyds death on anything other than chauvin's actions just so that they could get him off

you want to talk assumptions? my assumption is that you already had your mind made up the day floyd died, when you read some article from fox news about some white cop killing a black criminal. also i am betting that you believe that all of the jury was impartial and also had their minds made up before the trial even started, simply because its a deep state witch hunt brought on by the radical left and BLM thugs or whatever other crazy theory because your boy slipped up and got caught and actually has to face consequences for his actions this time

if you really want to put the blame on something else for the white cop having to face consequences for his actions, you should blame the people who stood there and filmed the whole thing. without that concrete and irrefutable evidence which the jury got to sit there and watch in its entirety, the cops would have no doubt cooked up a completely different story about what went down, and they would have surely got off the hook for it just like they do pretty much every other time that they abuse their power. floyd would have died peacefully from a drug overdose while the cops were just sitting in the car writing him a ticket and a summons for court or whatever, chauvin's bodycam footage would have disappeared, and life would have went on.

 

[maximus__]

part of the guidelines on those 2nd and 3rd degree murder charges is that the prosecution has to demonstrate that the defendants actions ultimately lead to the victims death. if the jury cannot agree on that, they cannot find him guilty on those charges. period.

the entire trial consisted solely of the prosecutors doing exactly just that and presenting their evidence, while easilly refuting all of the defenses about how he could have died from a heart attack, drug overdose, car exhaust, and all the rest of their wackadoodle theories they came up with to try to raise doubt and blame floyds death on anything other than chauvin's actions just so that they could get him off

you want to talk assumptions? my assumption is that you already had your mind made up the day floyd died, when you read some article from fox news about some white cop killing a black criminal. also i am betting that you believe that all of the jury was impartial and also had their minds made up before the trial even started, simply because its a deep state witch hunt brought on by the radical left and BLM thugs or whatever other crazy theory because your boy slipped up and got caught and actually has to face consequences for his actions this time

if you really want to put the blame on something else for the white cop having to face consequences for his actions, you should blame the people who stood there and filmed the whole thing. without that concrete and irrefutable evidence which the jury got to sit there and watch in its entirety, the cops would have no doubt cooked up a completely different story about what went down, and they would have surely got off the hook for it just like they do pretty much every other time that they abuse their power. floyd would have died peacefully from a drug overdose while the cops were just sitting in the car writing him a ticket and a summons for court or whatever, chauvin's bodycam footage would have disappeared, and life would have went on.

You seem to have it in your head that the colour of anyone's skin in this matters in particular Chauvins, on how I view this. I am not white, I am not American and my opinion on this is all purely based off watching the trial. The defences own experts confirmed that the levels of drugs in Floyds system would constitute an overdose. Fentanyl causes issues with breathing, Floyd was having issues prior. This was made worse by him being, hand cuffed and knelt on by Chauvin. As a result Floyd was unable to breath. Floyd also allegedly had covid and serious medical conditions that all contributed to his death.

Chauvin should have rolled him to his side once he stopped fighting, 2 of the other officers were brand new and he was their DTO.

Chauvin's negligence led to Floyd's death, but you can't hold him responsible for the drugs, covid and medical conditions that clearly contributed to the death.

I would change my view if it was shown that Chauvin kneeled on his neck choking him for 9 mins but that wasn't the case. Even the prosecution didn't stick with that narrative once it was disproven.

If all the above doesn't constitute reasonable doubt for murder I don't know what does. Manslaughter is the correct charge and he deserves the maximum sentence in relation to it.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

You seem to have it in your head that the colour of anyone's skin in this matters in particular Chauvins, on how I view this. I am not white, I am not American and my opinion on this is all purely based off watching the trial. The defences own experts confirmed that the levels of drugs in Floyds system would constitute an overdose. Fentanyl causes issues with breathing, Floyd was having issues prior. This was made worse by him being, hand cuffed and knelt on by Chauvin. As a result Floyd was unable to breath. Floyd also allegedly had covid and serious medical conditions that all contributed to his death.

Chauvin should have rolled him to his side once he stopped fighting, 2 of the other officers were brand new and he was their DTO.

oh yeah, floyd was sure putting up a fight alright. it was clear from the videos that he was just about to break those cuffs off and fuck shit up! the whole police force wouldnt be able to contain this monster.

do you mean the cop should have rolled him on his side before he killed him? yeah. well it was a little too late for that. he was too caught up with being the macho cop and the dominant alpha male in front of a group of people pleading with him to get off the mans neck because he cant breathe. its a shame that he refused to listen and continued to do so just because his pride got in the way.

and yeah yeah it was everything else under the sun that lead to floyds death. but like you said. "This was made worse by him being, hand cuffed and knelt on by Chauvin. As a result Floyd was unable to breath."

yeah if you cant breathe, youre going to die. if it wasnt for chauvin kneeling on floyds neck and suffocating him for all of the time that he did, george floyd would likely be alive to this very day. george floyd didnt in any way appear to be having any breathing issues until the police officer pinned him down and prevented him from being able to breathe

spin it however you want, but they made their case for these charges in front of the jury that it was chauvins actions that ultimately caused this man to die, and the jury sided with it. its alright though, he'll have his chances to appeal.

perhaps somebody needs to handcuff you and hold their knee to your neck and suffocate you long enough until you die. no worries though, i heard through the grapevine that you might have had the covid, and it was probably just some drugs or car exhaust that you would have died from anyways right?

 

[Loiosh]

93% is not half

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

And keep in mind that the definition of what is violent demonstration includes "road-blocking using barricades, burning tires or other materials." So that is a broad definiton of what is violent protesting.

If road blocking and putting up barricades are considered violent protesting then the pro democracy Honk Kong protests and many of the 60s Civil Rights marches can be defined as violent protesting.

The peaceful protests don't get media, so of course it seems like a higher percentage of violence.

 

[Last Falconry]

your honor, this sentence is a gross miscarriage of justice. We all know the only reason my client was punished so harshly is because of critical race theory

 

[BROWNPRIDE]

Pretty much. Did he intentionally kill George Floyd? No. Was he negligent as hell? Yup. More than likely he will be sentenced to the max. A lenient sentence will wind up with BLM burning cities and leaving dead bodies in the street all over again.

See blm is doing things and making changes by any means necessary.

 

[BROWNPRIDE]

your honor, this sentence is a gross miscarriage of justice. We all know the only reason my client was punished so harshly is because of critical race theory

Let him rot in prison.

 

[BROWNPRIDE]

Jan 6th. Nothing else though

Absolutely correct.

 

[maximus__]

oh yeah, floyd was sure putting up a fight alright.

do you mean the cop should have rolled him on his side before he killed him? yeah. well it was a little too late for that. he was too caught up with being the macho cop and the dominant alpha male in front of a group of people pleading with him to get off the mans neck because he cant breathe

and yeah yeah it was everything else under the sun that lead to floyds death. but like you said. "This was made worse by him being, hand cuffed and knelt on by Chauvin. As a result Floyd was unable to breath."

yeah if you cant breathe, youre going to die. if it wasnt for chauvin kneeling on floyds neck and suffocating him for all of the time that he did, george floyd would likely be alive to this very day. george floyd didnt seem to be having any breathing issues until the police officer pinned him down and prevented him from being able to breathe. spin it however you want, but they made their case for these charges in front of the jury that it was chauvins actions that ultimately caused this man to die, and the jury sided with it.

You clearly haven't seen the full footage or actually followed the trial.

Firstly Floyd said he couldn't breath prior to being anywhere near the car, he refused to get into the vehicle, screamed out he couldn't breath in the back of the vehicle with no pressure on him, fought when he was placed into it and then requested to be put on the ground.

If they had been able to shut the door on him in the rear of the vehicle he may have OD'd in the back, he may not have. When will never know.

After he was put on the ground he was kept face down which is where things went wrong. I agree the knee on the neck was excessive, but it was moved, but if you were aware in the trial, Chauvin was actually justified in Tasering Floyd immediately upon arrival. Chauvin used less force than he was justified to use during the arrest.

He did nothing wrong until Floyd was kept on the ground face down for too long. he could have rocked up tased him and thrown him in the back off the car and he would have been good to go provided Floyd didn't suffocate or have a heart attack. If he had done that he would be looking at less charges. Maybe Police should just use the higher level of force in all situations.

In the end we both agree Chauvin did the wrong thing, just not on a single charge so who cares. I guess we will see whether placing body weight on someone contributing to their death leads to more murder charges in the future.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

You clearly haven't seen the full footage or actually followed the trial.

Firstly Floyd said he couldn't breath prior to being anywhere near the car, he refused to get into the vehicle, screamed out he couldn't breath in the back of the vehicle with no pressure on him, fought when he was placed into it and then requested to be put on the ground.

If they had been able to shut the door on him in the rear of the vehicle he may have OD'd in the back, he may not have. When will never know.

After he was put on the ground he was kept face down which is where things went wrong. I agree the knee on the neck was excessive, but it was moved, but if you were aware in the trial, Chauvin was actually justified in Tasering Floyd immediately upon arrival. Chauvin used less force than he was justified to use during the arrest.

He did nothing wrong until Floyd was kept on the ground face down for too long. he could have rocked up tased him and thrown him in the back off the car and he would have been good to go provided Floyd didn't suffocate or have a heart attack. If he had done that he would be looking at less charges. Maybe Police should just use the higher level of force in all situations.

In the end we both agree Chauvin did the wrong thing, just not on a single charge so who cares. I guess we will see whether placing body weight on someone contributing to their death leads to more murder charges in the future.

we can just agree to disgree. but i dont believe that george floyd wouldnt have died while in custody if it wasnt for chauvin kneeling on his neck, and the jury didnt seem to agree with that either.

 

[maximus__]

we can just agree to disgree. but i dont believe that george floyd wouldnt have died while in custody if it wasnt for chauvin kneeling on his neck, and the jury didnt seem to agree with that either.

Yeah that's fine. I think it contributed to it definitely.

My argument and why I think manslaughter is the correct charge is that I don't believe that if Chauvin had just kneeled on Floyds neck he would have died. The intent of the act of the kneeling did not kill Floyd and if he had kneeled on anyone else's neck present I do not believe they also would have died.

Definite manslaughter, but not murder. If I was on the jury that would have been my determination, with a request to the judge for a higher sentence length due to the act and his negligence as the Police officer in the position to have realised Floyd was non responsive.

Nobody else should be charged except Chauvin.

 

[JSN]

Yeah that's fine. I think it contributed to it definitely.

My argument and why I think manslaughter is the correct charge is that I don't believe that if Chauvin had just kneeled on Floyds neck he would have died. The intent of the act of the kneeling did not kill Floyd and if he had kneeled on anyone else's neck present I do not believe they also would have died.

Definite manslaughter, but not murder. If I was on the jury that would have been my determination, with a request to the judge for a higher sentence length due to the act and his negligence as the Police officer in the position to have realised Floyd was non responsive.

Nobody else should be charged except Chauvin.

The rather insane thing about Chauvin eating the 2nd degree felony murder charge is that the qualifier is that he has to be committing a felony or attempting to harm the victim and then causing the death. You can certainly make an argument that his actions were callous, but I don’t think there is any good argument that Chauvin was committing a felony or intending to harm Floyd.

I guess this we have a new precedent where any time death occurs that any physical actions are to be construed as an attempt to harm the deceased. If some junky is grabbing your wallet and you push them and they die, well then you intended to cause harm and caused their death. You just committed 2nd degree murder.

It’s fucking retarded. The laws were put in place for people who were committing crimes, not reacting to them.

 

[Halge]

The peaceful protests don't get media, so of course it seems like a higher percentage of violence.

Are you kidding? Media focuses on the protests while they are peaceful, then skedaddle before the molotovs start flying. If you only consume mainstream media, you wouldn't have a clue there was any rioting at all taking place. For example, pretty much no-one over here in Sweden has even heard about the chaz or the permanent revolution in Portland.

 

[maximus__]

The rather insane thing about Chauvin eating the 2nd degree felony murder charge is that the qualifier is that he has to be committing a felony or attempting to harm the victim and then causing the death. You can certainly make an argument that his actions were callous, but I don’t think there is any good argument that Chauvin was committing a felony or intending to harm Floyd.

I guess this we have a new precedent where any time death occurs that any physical actions are to be construed as an attempt to harm the deceased. If some junky is grabbing your wallet and you push them and they die, well then you intended to cause harm and caused their death. You just committed 2nd degree murder.

It’s fucking retarded. The laws were put in place for people who were committing crimes, not reacting to them.

If it wasn't shown in the trial that the restraint was trained and taught to Chauvin and that he moved his knee throughout it, I could see the argument. If it was shown that the knee itself caused damage to the throat and prevented Floyd from being able to breath I could see the argument.

The act of the knee itself and the way it appeared from that single video we all saw to start this would make you think he was doing something callous. When you actually see the position of the knee the majority of the time from the body worn camera, prior interactions and what led to the position before factoring in all the rest, you can't justify the second degree murder charge.

It literally was the perfect storm of things going wrong. The dispatch even sent the wrong medical team leading to a delay in someone coming to treat him. It's was a crazy set of circumstances leading to his death. Chauvin was responsible for his death indirectly but he didn't try to murder Floyd that day.

 

[Loiosh]

Are you kidding? Media focuses on the protests while they are peaceful, then skedaddle before the molotovs start flying. If you only consume mainstream media, you wouldn't have a clue there was any rioting at all taking place. For example, pretty much no-one over here in Sweden has even heard about the chaz or the permanent revolution in Portland.

I don't watch Swedish media, I watch American and Canadian, where they showed nonstop coverage of riots and looting, stretching coverage of singular events over days and weeks.

 

[Halge]

I don't watch Swedish media, I watch American and Canadian, where they showed nonstop coverage of riots and looting, stretching coverage of singular events over days and weeks.

No they don't. Stop lying.

 

[Loiosh]

No they don't. Stop lying.

Of course they did, violence sells.

 

[Halge]

Of course they did, violence sells.

Of course they didn't, they are ideologically motivated and need to align ideologically with their clientele. Anti-white racism sells better in those circles, so that's what they focus on. Reporting on the violence would alienate potential customers.

I don't know why I should waste time explaining the logic behind their reporting though. You just have to look at how they actually report. They deliberately avoid reporting on the riots. It's a fact.

 

[MicroBrew]

Care to show us all who murders African American's the most in this country? I'd like to see the comparison with the gross injustices that you're talking about and we can then see which gross injustice is grosser.

So you are comparing crimminals to law enforcement? That is not a flattering comparison for your argument. And number of deaths doesn't always tell the bigger picture. If deaths were all that mattered then the US was better off staying under British rule since more Americans died fighting each other than fighting the Brits.

 

[JSN]

If it wasn't shown in the trial that the restraint was trained and taught to Chauvin and that he moved his knee throughout it, I could see the argument. If it was shown that the knee itself caused damage to the throat and prevented Floyd from being able to breath I could see the argument.

The act of the knee itself and the way it appeared from that single video we all saw to start this would make you think he was doing something callous. When you actually see the position of the knee the majority of the time from the body worn camera, prior interactions and what led to the position before factoring in all the rest, you can't justify the second degree murder charge.

It literally was the perfect storm of things going wrong. The dispatch even sent the wrong medical team leading to a delay in someone coming to treat him. It's was a crazy set of circumstances leading to his death. Chauvin was responsible for his death indirectly but he didn't try to murder Floyd that day.

I didn’t know about the wrong medical team, but apparently the medical team that did come demes the scene unsafe and would not enter the scene until they got the crowd under control.