How would Joe Rogan do against the average blue belt?

[winterbike]

i see it happen all the time with blackbelts way better than Joe coming back from injury, time off, obligations etc. They tap and “win” against all of us, it’s just a slog and struggle and they HAVE to play their A game because they’re not as sharp as they once were. That’s reality, not some hypothetical where a 54 year old is just going to magically cut through everyone bc he talks himself up on a podcast and his friends say he’s strong

Wait, you've repeatedly established that we have no way of knowing Rogan's level. Quick, write 10 paragraphs outside of the discussion the rest of us are having to justify yourself.

 

[Da Speeit]

A 54 year old meatball with bad knees and a bad neck who doesnt train often and hasnt for a decade would struggle against bluebelts who train regularly.

“ummmm it’s fucking JOE ROGAN buddy he’s 190 shredded and bluebelts suck. I can’t explain why they suck or what the litmus for sucking is, i’ve never actually seen him roll or train with anyone who knows what they’re doing but he tapped Rampage. He fucking runs up hills and hits bags really hard. Bluebelts fucking suck and are out of shape. Joe is a blackbelt. You’re fucking dumb and just following narratives!”

 

[Da Speeit]

Wait, you've repeatedly established that we have no way of knowing Rogan's level. Quick, write 10 paragraphs outside of the discussion the rest of us are having to justify yourself.

“I can’t tap my coach who trains daily so this guy older than him who doesnt train regularly would destrooyyyyy everyyyy blueeebelt!”

sounds like you need to fly out and take some privates with Kutcher, dude

 

[JacJeanFinger]

I don't care how he grapples.
The moment I heard him saying "Dustin Hazelette has the best jujitsu", I stopped taking his commentary seriously.

 

[ChickenBrother]

“ummmm it’s fucking JOE ROGAN buddy he’s 190 shredded short and old and bluebelts suck rock. I can’t explain why they he sucks or what the litmus for sucking is, i’ve never actually seen him roll or train with anyone who knows what they’re doing but he's tapped Rampage 5' 5". He's also fucking runs up hills and hits bags really hard bald. Bluebelts fucking suck rule and are out of in shape. Joe is a blackbelt 5' 5". You’re fucking dumb and just following narratives!”

Did I mention he's 5' 5"? Trust me guys, he sucks. He's also old. And bald.

 

[Kforcer]

I don't care how he grapples.
The moment I heard him saying "Dustin Hazelette has the best jujitsu", I stopped taking his commentary seriously.

I was in the crowd, with friends from Gurgel Jiu Jitsu that I'd attended the Arnold Classic with, when he fought that Gracie. They were all calling him Little D. I guess that used to be his nickname. Back in those days, Jorge Gurgel's gyms were quite ubiquitous. He had a really BJJ empire, at least in the Midwest.

 

[Da Speeit]

I’m 5’7 and bald, no dishespect to Joe for his height and hair follicles

 

[No Skill Gap]

Dude you are so obsessed with”BEATING BEATING BEATING SMASH BEAT SMASH MAUL”

find one post where anyone said Rogan could not “beat” a bluebelt. The original point OP made this thread responding to is that Joe would struggle against the average bluebelt coming back to train regularly at the age of 54 with a myriad of injuries. That’s not crazy. Thinking he tapped Rampage in forreal in 2007 is crazy.

in 2021 we have no idea how good Rogan is. That doesn’t make the point you think it does. He’s not “bigger” than the average person. He’s 5’5. My
Coach is 5’8 190 and is definitely not “bigger than the average person”. Joe’s roided to the gills and bigger than the average 5’5 male

this is exactly what i’m talking about. You guys have this idea of Joe in your head that is not real and you’re telling me i’m not being realistic. It’s insane.

Dude you are so obsessed with”BEATING BEATING BEATING SMASH BEAT SMASH MAUL”

I'm not obsessed with anything, it's obvious that you are obsessed with Joe Rogan if anyone is. This was literally the point of the thread, here is the original question verbatim:

Simple question - how would Joe Rogan fair in a roll against your run off the mill, average blue belt in 2021? Would it be competitive? Would he get worked? Or would he generally destroy most blue belts?

In an alleged, well... confirmed by you response - to you saying he would struggle against (general?) blue belts:

I said he’d “struggle”’in the Mayberry

What else is there to say on this lol. You have seemingly moved the goal posts after initially saying something dumb and are double into exponentially-ing down on the idea that Rogan is somehow not skilled at all, weak, and "5'5" being repeated literally 20 times.

Maybe Rogan is 5'5. Maybe he's 5'5.5, 5'6, 5'6.5 or 5'7 on a good day. I agree he is short. But why does this matter? We have actual evidence of him weighing 205 lbs at a pretty lean BF%. We know he's a black belt who despite being a celebrity has rolled hard with people on film and anecdotally. We know for a fact by Rogan's own admission that he is on at minimum TRT + other shit, most likely he has taken cycles and is on one I'd bet...HGH/Test at least.

He's at least above average athletically, definitely compared to what the average BJJ blue belt is. So again, let's review:

-5'5 to 5'7 range
-190-210 lb range, relatively lean
-black belt from legit gym/instructor
-friends with legit top tier competitor, free privates essentially lol
-On PEDs, relatively athletic, relatively strong+
-20+ years of exposure and training (at least on/off)

You never answered the question of where you trained. But obviously that's bullshit. Even at the most competitive gyms in the world they aren't going to average ~200+ lb athletes at blue belt and sandbag the fuck out of people at blue belt. I could be wrong, but eh, not that I know of or seen and it's illogical across the board. I don't know why you are denying or try to convince others that blue belts "don't suck" and are requesting some meta-analysis on it to prove it. Obviously "Suck" is relative. Tons of people just progress to blue simply due to time-in and attendance, that's the way it is. Obviously they improve from untrained to white to blue, but it doesn't mean they are good and we're only talking technique here.

Basically, from what I see, your entire argument revolves around an autistic obsession with Rogan (no offense) and trying to establish he is a fake black belt celebrity BJJ figure who is actually at ~blue belt level or at most shitty purple himself, and is crippled. Am I wrong lol?

 

[No Skill Gap]

Okay, why? What’s the difference between your average purple and average blue? Not much imo

???

 

[LeonardoBjj]

I’m 5’7 and bald, no dishespect to Joe for his height and hair follicles

- You arent bald, Bro. Vou just choose do shave you'r head.

 

[Da Speeit]

I'm not obsessed with anything, it's obvious that you are obsessed with Joe Rogan if anyone is. This was literally the point of the thread, here is the original question verbatim:



In an alleged, well... confirmed by you response - to you saying he would struggle against (general?) blue belts:



What else is there to say on this lol. You have seemingly moved the goal posts after initially saying something dumb and are double into exponentially-ing down on the idea that Rogan is somehow not skilled at all, weak, and "5'5" being repeated literally 20 times.

Maybe Rogan is 5'5. Maybe he's 5'5.5, 5'6, 5'6.5 or 5'7 on a good day. I agree he is short. But why does this matter? We have actual evidence of him weighing 205 lbs at a pretty lean BF%. We know he's a black belt who despite being a celebrity has rolled hard with people on film and anecdotally. We know for a fact by Rogan's own admission that he is on at minimum TRT + other shit, most likely he has taken cycles and is on one I'd bet...HGH/Test at least.

He's at least above average athletically, definitely compared to what the average BJJ blue belt is. So again, let's review:

-5'5 to 5'7 range
-190-210 lb range, relatively lean
-black belt from legit gym/instructor
-friends with legit top tier competitor, free privates essentially lol
-On PEDs, relatively athletic, relatively strong+
-20+ years of exposure and training (at least on/off)

You never answered the question of where you trained. But obviously that's bullshit. Even at the most competitive gyms in the world they aren't going to average ~200+ lb athletes at blue belt and sandbag the fuck out of people at blue belt. I could be wrong, but eh, not that I know of or seen and it's illogical across the board. I don't know why you are denying or try to convince others that blue belts "don't suck" and are requesting some meta-analysis on it to prove it. Obviously "Suck" is relative. Tons of people just progress to blue simply due to time-in and attendance, that's the way it is. Obviously they improve from untrained to white to blue, but it doesn't mean they are good and we're only talking technique here.

Basically, from what I see, your entire argument revolves around an autistic obsession with Rogan (no offense) and trying to establish he is a fake black belt celebrity BJJ figure who is actually at ~blue belt level or at most shitty purple himself, and is crippled. Am I wrong lol?

Yeah you’re dead wrong. This is like one big strawman of what i’m saying.

ive literally never said he’s weak or anything like that. This is like 100% what OP wants my opinion to be and i didnt even start this thread lmao JRE fans have a delusional take on Joe and make threads steelmanning Joe’s abilities and strawmanning the “autistic” haters. I have seen nothing in this thread to change my mind about Joe’s place in modern BJJ, sorry, you’re gonna have to live with it.

 

[JacJeanFinger]

I was in the crowd, with friends from Gurgel Jiu Jitsu that I'd attended the Arnold Classic with, when he fought that Gracie. They were all calling him Little D. I guess that used to be his nickname. Back in those days, Jorge Gurgel's gyms were quite ubiquitous. He had a really BJJ empire, at least in the Midwest.

I don't think Rogan had that gracie fight in his mind when he said "Hazelette is the best jujitsu guy". He was probably overwhelmingly fascinated by the slick armbar that forced burkman to play 3-tap symphony.

Hazelette could've been one of the reliable submission guys in the UFC welterweight division back then. He seemed like a super cool guy that added unexplainable biblical flavor to the main card. But calling him the best is just too annoyingly clueless. I think joe is often carried away with Italian frenzy that causes illogical dramatization.

 

[Kforcer]

I don't think Rogan had that gracie fight in his mind when he said "Hazelette is the best jujitsu guy". He was probably overwhelmingly fascinated by the slick armbar that forced burkman to play 3-tap symphony.

Hazelette could've been one of the reliable submission guys in the UFC welterweight division back then. He seemed like a super cool guy that added unexplainable biblical flavor to the main card. But calling him the best is just too annoyingly clueless. I think joe is often carried away with Italian frenzy that causes illogical dramatization.

I wasn't justifying Rogan calling him the best. Just sharing a memory, since you brought up Hazelette. The Gurgel guys I was with were a little annoying, actually, as they were constantly touting the superiority of their dojo, BJJ, etc. etc. But, they did give me a ride to the Arnold Classic.

As far as silly Rogan moments during commentating, the fact that, after trashing catch-wrestling with Eddie Bravo on the Underground Forums and confidently asserting that catch-wrestling and leglocks don't work, he revealed to the world that he didn't even know what an Achilles lock was when he called Arlovski's submission win over Tim Sylvia. He confusedly referred to it as a guillotine on the foot, which isn't really a bad descriptor, but it was clear he had no idea about the move, which seems to suggest that he didn't know nearly enough about catch-wrestling's weapons to dismiss the art like he did.

 

[560ti]

I'm not obsessed with anything, it's obvious that you are obsessed with Joe Rogan if anyone is. This was literally the point of the thread, here is the original question verbatim:



In an alleged, well... confirmed by you response - to you saying he would struggle against (general?) blue belts:



What else is there to say on this lol. You have seemingly moved the goal posts after initially saying something dumb and are double into exponentially-ing down on the idea that Rogan is somehow not skilled at all, weak, and "5'5" being repeated literally 20 times.

Maybe Rogan is 5'5. Maybe he's 5'5.5, 5'6, 5'6.5 or 5'7 on a good day. I agree he is short. But why does this matter? We have actual evidence of him weighing 205 lbs at a pretty lean BF%. We know he's a black belt who despite being a celebrity has rolled hard with people on film and anecdotally. We know for a fact by Rogan's own admission that he is on at minimum TRT + other shit, most likely he has taken cycles and is on one I'd bet...HGH/Test at least.

He's at least above average athletically, definitely compared to what the average BJJ blue belt is. So again, let's review:

-5'5 to 5'7 range
-190-210 lb range, relatively lean
-black belt from legit gym/instructor
-friends with legit top tier competitor, free privates essentially lol
-On PEDs, relatively athletic, relatively strong+
-20+ years of exposure and training (at least on/off)

You never answered the question of where you trained. But obviously that's bullshit. Even at the most competitive gyms in the world they aren't going to average ~200+ lb athletes at blue belt and sandbag the fuck out of people at blue belt. I could be wrong, but eh, not that I know of or seen and it's illogical across the board. I don't know why you are denying or try to convince others that blue belts "don't suck" and are requesting some meta-analysis on it to prove it. Obviously "Suck" is relative. Tons of people just progress to blue simply due to time-in and attendance, that's the way it is. Obviously they improve from untrained to white to blue, but it doesn't mean they are good and we're only talking technique here.

Basically, from what I see, your entire argument revolves around an autistic obsession with Rogan (no offense) and trying to establish he is a fake black belt celebrity BJJ figure who is actually at ~blue belt level or at most shitty purple himself, and is crippled. Am I wrong lol?

"Buh...buh your dead wrong" (*literally everyone in the thread agrees with you). Upcoming post "uhh everyone of you must be Joe Rogan diehard supporters, it can't possibly be maybe I just don't have the best take on this no that can't be it"

 

[No Skill Gap]

Yeah you’re dead wrong. This is like one big strawman of what i’m saying.

ive literally never said he’s weak or anything like that. This is like 100% what OP wants my opinion to be and i didnt even start this thread lmao JRE fans have a delusional take on Joe and make threads steelmanning Joe’s abilities and strawmanning the “autistic” haters. I have seen nothing in this thread to change my mind about Joe’s place in modern BJJ, sorry, you’re gonna have to live with it.

Well I meant minimal offense, but I think you're clearly the one being delusional here.

Like when you said what's the difference between a blue belt and a purple right after...I mean....dramatic? From every BJJ gym I've ever been in since the early 2000s, not saying I'm good or anything either but just as an observation and having some brain cells the difference has been fucking dramatic across every gym I've ever been to for 20 years basically.

 

[JacJeanFinger]

I wasn't justifying Rogan calling him the best. Just sharing a memory, since you brought up Hazelette. The Gurgel guys I was with were a little annoying, actually, as they were constantly touting the superiority of their dojo, BJJ, etc. etc. But, they did give me a ride to the Arnold Classic.

As far as silly Rogan moments during commentating, the fact that, after trashing catch-wrestling with Eddie Bravo on the Underground Forums and confidently asserting that catch-wrestling and leglocks don't work, he revealed to the world that he didn't even know what an Achilles lock was when he called Arlovski's submission win over Tim Sylvia. He confusedly referred to it as a guillotine on the foot, which isn't really a bad descriptor, but it was clear he had no idea about the move, which seems to suggest that he didn't know nearly enough about catch-wrestling's weapons to dismiss the art like he did.

Yeah I kinda remember what Jogan said about what tapped Mainiac Silvia out beside being panicked and scared of Minsk Mute. Guillotine on the foot.

Footlocks were/are banned in many bjj schools and barely seen in professional mma fights in America. Ken shamrock and Eric Paulson brought back from Japan early and tried to teach americans but couldn't make them popular. Scott Adams caught people by surprise in one fight and nobody followed suits.

I think Jogan has a habit of making untrue or controversial statements to get more mass reactions. He knows some leglocks work but says otherwise to draw attention. He knows rubber guard sucks and he knows he wont use that useless shit but praises 10th planet because of the influencing power bravo might have.

 

[Zanderlini]

Most bluebelts are just average dudes. Joe Rogan may be 54 but he would have zero problems with majority of bluebelts.

 

[CFGroup]

9 pages on this garbage!

Do u guys actually train?

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Jesús Christ some people, he’s 54 years old, age doesn’t care about belts for fuck sakes…

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Most bluebelts are just average dudes. Joe Rogan may be 54 but he would have zero problems with majority of bluebelts.

I don’t think that’s the case anymore, average blue belts, specially in their 20s have gotten massively better with time…