If Joshua convincingly beats Usyk, where does he rank all-time?

[Jonny Ninja]

Ali was already sick when he started fading his trainers noticed changes, Lenox just got caught and his resume speaks for itself he's top 10, top 5 greatest heavyweights ever, Tyson got out boxed and had terrible trainers not his original trainers plus he was out of control once his family his trainers couldn't keep watch over him, he's basically a street thug gangster and had emotional problems probably depression drugs use and personal problems but he came back won a title but lost to fighters he couldn't beat like Holyfield, Tyson could never beat Evander and if Buster Douglas took his talent seriously Tyson couldn't touch him maybe not even Evander Douglas was that skillful but lacked dedication and confidence. Foreman bounced back after his humiliating loss to Ali and became a smarter fighter at an older age.

Well done. You’ve come up with lots of excuses for these fighters. In reality, guys have off days and sometimes lose fights. How many great HWs lost to fighters they were expected to beat? Almost all of them

I’m a huge Lennox Lewis fan so I can’t understand how you can just brush off his 2 losses, to bang average opponents, but then refer to his resume. Laughable double standards, you must be able to see that. You can’t have it both ways

Joshua only got caught knocked down got up and didn't adjust by boxing a moving he had the reach advantage and size a minor adjustment gets him the win but he's not a thinking adjusting fighter unlike others, Ruiz also got dropped but this didn't stop him from winning the title.

couldnt adjust? You do know they fought for a second time don’t you? And how do you make mid fight adjustments when you are clearly concussed from the first knockdown?? You’re in survival mode in the hope you can get your head clear.
Once again you are clearly judging other HWs different to Joshua. Joshua couldn’t adjust, but you have a long list of excuses for the other guys, who also couldn’t adjust

I am only giving his rank right now, I never said Joshua couldn't climb the ranks to top 20, I highly doubt anybody after his career will rank Joshua top ten all time maybe top 15, if Joshua beats Fury twice or three times then beats Wilder then cleans out the division and is champion until he's 40, going undefeated after his only loss.

his (imaginary) p4p rank is completely irrelevant as he’s maybe less than half way through his career. If he goes undefeated until he’s 40, that means he’s cleared the division out multiple times, been a world champ for nearly 15 years, and would almost certainly have been undisputed for some of that time. That’s gets him in the top 15. Lol, come on dude. I mean that’s not gonna happen but if it did, he would without doubt be in the top 10, and towards the pointy end of it. He would be the most successful HW of all time by a long way. It would be a phenomenal career

Everyone is expecting Fury to outbox Joshua easily, then the rematch, maybe Joshua gets one win, but it's unlikely that he beats Fury twice or three times, but that happens he's climbing the rankings to top 15 book it, but right now he's top 30.

everyone’s expecting fury to outbox Joshua? I’m sure his die hards agree with you. I’m a fan of both and have it as a close fight as did a lot of ex pros, leading up to their supposed fight. In reality they may never fight, the chance may be gone. But if they do the odds will be close for a reason

this is the problem with p4p, fans are so biased. Whether that bias is towards a certain fighter or against another. You’ve said it yourself, if Joshua is a unified and undisputed champion for nearly a decade and a half, and only losses 1 fight (which he immediately avenged), you still couldn’t put him in your top 10. You must be able to see how unbalanced that view is.

 

[RDL81]

Well done. You’ve come up with lots of excuses for these fighters. In reality, guys have off days and sometimes lose fights. How many great HWs lost to fighters they were expected to beat? Almost all of them

I’m a huge Lennox Lewis fan so I can’t understand how you can just brush off his 2 losses, to bang average opponents, but then refer to his resume. Laughable double standards, you must be able to see that. You can’t have it both ways



couldnt adjust? You do know they fought for a second time don’t you? And how do you make mid fight adjustments when you are clearly concussed from the first knockdown?? You’re in survival mode in the hope you can get your head clear.
Once again you are clearly judging other HWs different to Joshua. Joshua couldn’t adjust, but you have a long list of excuses for the other guys, who also couldn’t adjust



his (imaginary) p4p rank is completely irrelevant as he’s maybe less than half way through his career. But your double standards are plain to see again. If he goes undefeated until he’s 40, that means he’s cleared the division out multiple times, been a world champ for nearly 15 years, and would almost certainly have been undisputed for some of that time. That’s gets him in the top 15. Lol, come on dude. I mean that’s not gonna happen but if it did, he would without doubt be in the top 10, and towards the pointy end of it. He would be the most successful HW of all time by a long way. It would be a phenomenal career




everyone’s expecting fury to outbox Joshua? I’m sure his die hards agree with you. I’m a fan of both and have it as a close fight as did a lot of ex pros, leading up to their supposed fight. In reality they may never fight, the chance may be gone. But if they do the odds will be close for a reason

this is the problem with p4p, fans are so biased. Whether that bias is towards a certain fighter or against another. You’ve said it yourself, if Joshua is a unified and undisputed champion for nearly a decade and a half, and only losses 1 fight (which he immediately avenged), you still couldn’t put him in your top 10. You must be able to see how unbalanced that view is.

Good effort with that post….I didn’t have the energy to reply unlike you

 

[tekkennlee]

Well done. You’ve come up with lots of excuses for these fighters. In reality, guys have off days and sometimes lose fights. How many great HWs lost to fighters they were expected to beat? Almost all of them

I’m a huge Lennox Lewis fan so I can’t understand how you can just brush off his 2 losses, to bang average opponents, but then refer to his resume. Laughable double standards, you must be able to see that. You can’t have it both ways



couldnt adjust? You do know they fought for a second time don’t you? And how do you make mid fight adjustments when you are clearly concussed from the first knockdown?? You’re in survival mode in the hope you can get your head clear.
Once again you are clearly judging other HWs different to Joshua. Joshua couldn’t adjust, but you have a long list of excuses for the other guys, who also couldn’t adjust



his (imaginary) p4p rank is completely irrelevant as he’s maybe less than half way through his career. If he goes undefeated until he’s 40, that means he’s cleared the division out multiple times, been a world champ for nearly 15 years, and would almost certainly have been undisputed for some of that time. That’s gets him in the top 15. Lol, come on dude. I mean that’s not gonna happen but if it did, he would without doubt be in the top 10, and towards the pointy end of it. He would be the most successful HW of all time by a long way. It would be a phenomenal career




everyone’s expecting fury to outbox Joshua? I’m sure his die hards agree with you. I’m a fan of both and have it as a close fight as did a lot of ex pros, leading up to their supposed fight. In reality they may never fight, the chance may be gone. But if they do the odds will be close for a reason

this is the problem with p4p, fans are so biased. Whether that bias is towards a certain fighter or against another. You’ve said it yourself, if Joshua is a unified and undisputed champion for nearly a decade and a half, and only losses 1 fight (which he immediately avenged), you still couldn’t put him in your top 10. You must be able to see how unbalanced that view is.

If Joshua outboxes Fury and cleans out the heavyweight division beating everyone, I have no problem defending his loss to Ruiz, I will defend him just like everyone else but right now his skills resume isn't good enough to place him out of the top 30 all time greats.

I happen to believe that Joshua could outbox Fury, because of his size and what he did to Klitchko but he has stamina issues at times this was his problem against Ruiz poor recovery issues, he needs to change his training from high tech to Floyd's type of training old school because not once has Floyd looked gassed fatigued not once has Floyd faded in fights, Joshua seems to have certain problems he shouldn't have.

 

[deucesarewild]

Joshua? I don't even think he belongs in top 100 HW of all time. Especially if you consider context.

 

[PUO3]

Joshua? I don't even think he belongs in top 100 HW of all time. Especially if you consider context.

Stupid.

 

[Methodius]

It depends on how he beats him. If its just by KO but loosing on points it wont help him that much in them all time ranking shenanigans.

 

[Ruv]

Usyk going to pick apart this bodybuilder AJ and ruin the all-Britsh Undisputed World Heavyweight Championship fight.

Usyk by UD.

 

[GeneTunney7]

Considering all the incredible heavyweights that have existed thru history, probably not very high - that is, if you are looking at things thru the context of history. I was talking to someone earlier about what would happen if you had a time machine and could take a guy like Joe Louis and put him against a new age guy like Joshua or Wilder. I have to think it would end badly for Joe. So in that regard, Joshua probably is a highly ranked heavyweight for all time. There is simply no parallel to him thru out history: Primo Carnera was 6'6 but could not box to save his life, had CM Punk level athleticism, where as an athletic/powerful physical specimen that could box, like Liston, was nearly half a foot shorter than AJ. There are simply way more people on the planet now that do boxing, the game has evolved technically, athletes have better nutrition and training, and the modern athletes all around have gotten bigger, faster, stronger and more technical.

Thru the lens of history: top 50-100
On a time machine basis: top 20

 

[ExitLUPin]

Usyk is better P4P than he is a HW if that makes sense. Hes by far at his best as a cruiser. Hes a good HW but not elite by any means. Doesnt have the power for it and likely not chin either.

Ali
Louis
Lennox
Foreman
Smokin Joe
Holmes
Liston
Iron Mike
Marciano
Wlad
Holyfield
Dempsey
Patterson
Jack
Tunney
Bowe
Jeffries
Wills
Vitali
Fury
Norton
Walcott
Ezzard
Schleming

So thats 20+ thats easily ranked higher. There are a few fighters who werent mainstays @ HW but arguably did more in their short time against ITO competition beaten. Hed be top 30 at best. And most of his wins are aging poorly not to mention how embarrassing the Ruiz knockout was and Ruiz himself hasnt looked like an elite HW since either and just got dropped and struggled IMMENSELY against Arreolas corpse lol

 

[RDL81]

Usyk is better P4P than he is a HW if that makes sense. Hes by far at his best as a cruiser. Hes a good HW but not elite by any means. Doesnt have the power for it and likely not chin either.

Ali
Louis
Lennox
Foreman
Smokin Joe
Holmes
Liston
Iron Mike
Marciano
Wlad
Holyfield
Dempsey
Patterson
Jack
Tunney
Bowe
Jeffries
Wills
Vitali
Fury
Norton
Walcott
Ezzard
Schleming

So thats 20+ thats easily ranked higher. There are a few fighters who werent mainstays @ HW but arguably did more in their short time against ITO competition beaten. Hed be top 30 at best. And most of his wins are aging poorly not to mention how embarrassing the Ruiz knockout was and Ruiz himself hasnt looked like an elite HW since either and just got dropped and struggled IMMENSELY against Arreolas corpse lol

The fact you have fury in that list makes anything else you say irrelevant

 

[pakimahi]

stays unranked untill Fury and Wilder

 

[ExitLUPin]

The fact you have fury in that list makes anything else you say irrelevant

Fury after that Wilder destruction belongs at the bottom of the list. He's def higher than AJ at the least.

Chisorax2, Cunningham, Hammer, Wlad, Wilderx2, Wallin is good enough considering Fury's dominance in fights, undefeated and ending Wlads reign

 

[Dana's Moonface]

Top 10? Really?? lol

In no particular order, you think he ranks higher than

Louis
Johnson
Marciano
Ali
Dempsey
Frazier
Liston
Foreman
Tyson
Holmes
Holyfield
Lewis
Wlad
Vitali
Bowe
Fury

 

[burningspear]

I think if Usyk beats AJ where does he rank is more the question.
Everyone expects AJ to win.

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

I think if Usyk beats AJ where does he rank is more the question.
Everyone expects AJ to win.

He'd be ranked as "the guy who ducked Andrew Ruiz Jr.", this is how combat sports work.
If he unifies the division, beats all the mandetories for a decade, and retires breaking multiple records, he'd be ranked as "ruler of a weak era [as usual, because of nostalgic reasons]". At HW, no other era counts to fans except for Ali's.

 

[kellier]

Usyk struggled with Chisora.

Whyte and a faded Klitschko remain his best wins

 

[aries]

he needs to change his training from high tech to Floyd's type of training old school because not once has Floyd looked gassed fatigued not once has Floyd faded in fights, Joshua seems to have certain problems he shouldn't have.

Do you think the fact that Floyd never gassed was that he was a midget compared to Joshua who is 6'6" and 240lbs of solid muscle? I agree that Joshua needs to focus on his conditioning BUT to say that only training like Floyd would help because Floyd never gassed is asinine. If Floyd was 6'6" and 240lb I think he'd have stamina issues too.

 

[aries]

Considering all the incredible heavyweights that have existed thru history, probably not very high - that is, if you are looking at things thru the context of history. I was talking to someone earlier about what would happen if you had a time machine and could take a guy like Joe Louis and put him against a new age guy like Joshua or Wilder. I have to think it would end badly for Joe. So in that regard, Joshua probably is a highly ranked heavyweight for all time. There is simply no parallel to him thru out history: Primo Carnera was 6'6 but could not box to save his life, had CM Punk level athleticism, where as an athletic/powerful physical specimen that could box, like Liston, was nearly half a foot shorter than AJ. There are simply way more people on the planet now that do boxing, the game has evolved technically, athletes have better nutrition and training, and the modern athletes all around have gotten bigger, faster, stronger and more technical.

Thru the lens of history: top 50-100
On a time machine basis: top 20

Yeah 60's HW's would shiver in terror if presented with 6'6" 240lb Joshua. They thought Foreman was a monster at 6'3" and 220lbs. Fuck even Usyk would be considered a decent size as he currently weighs 230lb and stands 6'3" but he's considered really small by today's standards.

 

[Seano]

Top 10? Really?? lol

In no particular order, you think he ranks higher than

Louis
Johnson
Marciano
Ali
Dempsey
Frazier
Liston
Foreman
Tyson
Holmes
Holyfield
Lewis
Wlad
Vitali
Bowe
Fury

How is everyone putting Fury in there with Ali and Lennox Lewis? Fury has beaten Wilder and Wlad, most casual fans couldn't name another opponent he fought without using boxrec. Johsua has fought and beaten better opposition than Fury.

 

[RDL81]

How is everyone putting Fury in there with Ali and Lennox Lewis? Fury has beaten Wilder and Wlad, most casual fans couldn't name another opponent he fought without using boxrec. Johsua has fought and beaten better opposition than Fury.

Agree it’s embarrassing