Law Police arrest nba player jaxson hayes. Justified use of force?

[Cubo de Sangre]

camels can actually be really nasty. I learned it on a tour of a wildlife park near me that my wife has connections with and got us the vip tour. They said that the baccarin camels from China are really aggressive. To illustrate that point, one attacked our bus. Also really nasty are takins from China and some kind of wild horse. They will straight up attack you

I'm sure. Had one try to steal my beer at a Renaissance festival. Fucker spilled it all over and those things weren't cheap. Been holding a grudge ever since.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Sometimes I try to figure out why could possess someone to troll for the entire life of their account And I just can’t get it. I can understand fucking with someone in the heat of a disagreement, but to actually commit to a gimmick like that is the lamest thing I could ever think of. It’s such a waste of time and effort that it doesn’t make any sense to me at all. You’d be spending your time better if you were asleep in a tree.

Yeah it also makes the forum shittier. I’ve been coming less and less lately.

 

[kenetics]

Embarrassing. They should add an extra charge for all the extra.

 

[DizzyKronic]

Fuck that guy. He deserved a beating and we all know it.

You’d be surprised, a small search on Twitter gave me the assumption most on there are defending the victimized millionaire.

 

[ReligiousDiscipline]

camels can actually be really nasty. I learned it on a tour of a wildlife park near me that my wife has connections with and got us the vip tour. They said that the baccarin camels from China are really aggressive. To illustrate that point, one attacked our bus. Also really nasty are takins from China and some kind of wild horse. They will straight up attack you

The police should train camels to deal with aggressive offenders.

 

[cincymma79]

Dear god. A piece of shit low life used the, “I can’t breathe” defense to continue resisting and in this case attacking the officer?

cops should just never show up anymore in blue areas where the courts, officials and brainwashed jurors dwell in fantasyland.

Who could see that coming? I'm fucking shocked.

 

[Halge]

^^ Mods, any time now… It’s not funny anymore. It adds nothing at all to the discussion. It doesn’t move it forward or treat any issue with the respect it deserves. It’s just noise meant to annoy and upset people and purposefully provide fodder to divide. It’s not part of an actual conversation, which is what these boards are for.

Do your job, mods.

Lol, I literally put the guy on Ignore right before scrolling down to read your post.

The police should train camels to deal with aggressive offenders.

Fucking hell.

 

[Revolver]

This is why we kneel

 

[nhbbear]

I'm sure. Had one try to steal my beer at a Renaissance festival. Fucker spilled it all over and those things weren't cheap. Been holding a grudge ever since.

and don’t even get me started on camel spiders! Actually, do. Order: sulfugidae. Not venomous! When they “chase” you, they are trying to hide in your shadow. They do whistle when they run, but not scream like some have said. And they are not as big as the camera tricks make it seem. About as long as the width of your hand.

 

[nhbbear]

The police should train camels to deal with aggressive offenders.

holy shit!

 

[nhbbear]

The cops definitely need to be better trained in dealing with people. This escalated to a physical confrontation because that is what the cops wanted. Then they used the knee to the neck, but because it was on film, they caught themselves in time. Otherwise we likely would have had another dead young black man to hear about on the news.

I get that they needed to talk to the woman alone, but their effort to get there was amateurish at best. I definitely think charges against the officers are in order, but at the very least, they need to find a new line of work

Simply, no. I said quite a few times that their intentions could have been spelled out for this Neanderthal a little better, but everything else is on him. I have no problem with the knee being on the neck for a moment because the guy is 7’11” tall and is fighting with them. That cop was probably trained in that technique years ago and it comes out during times of stress, or, he was just trying to hold the guy down. There was limited room and his knee started on the shoulder. When the other officer told him to lift his knee, he started fighting again.
I often wonder if you’re a troll or not. If you are, man that must be sad to hid behind such a pathetic mask all the time. If you’re not a troll…I hope the disability checks are enough each month

 

[MacGregor]

Yeah it also makes the forum shittier. I’ve been coming less and less lately.

Recently started using ignore. Forum is far more enjoyable now. Almost 40 on the list atm. A quick post history check will usually tell you if someone should be on it. AV's can be a giveaway as well.

 

[PhitePhan]

So, did he ever get their badge chargers or what?

Edit... beat me to it.

I hope he did get their badge charges!

After all, it’s their job to perterve and respect!

 

[PhitePhan]

The police should train camels to deal with aggressive offenders.

Bro!

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Recently started using ignore. Forum is far more enjoyable now. Almost 40 on the list atm. A quick post history check will usually tell you if someone should be on it. AV's can be a giveaway as well.

Care to share the list?

 

[MacGregor]

Care to share the list?

I have an OT thread, I'll check if it's allowed then post it there.

 

[DespicablePeep]

Ballers need to quit fucking with these hoes.

Hoes are too bold these days and will pull squatters rights after you try to put them out.

They will call the police and get you put out your own house

He is the Hoe, son. Screamed like one while getting tased

 

[mmafan2000]

Recently, lapd released video footage of jaxson Hayes being arrested. officers were called for a domestic call where the camel says that Hayes is being nasty and aggressive. Hayes says she was being aggressive and throwing things. Officers obviously need to speak to her alone, but Hayes won’t let them enter without going with them. You absolutely can not let him go with you because you don’t want his presence Influencing her and what she tells you, plus it is Intimidating.

Officers attempt to go in to check on the female half of this and jaxson won’t let them.
Hayes tries to enter the house and deputies attempt to detain him and he shoves one against the wall and the fight is on. Hayes is 6’11” and quite a lot to handle. He is drive stunned with a taser multiple times and at one point, and officer has a knee on his neck-the oh my gosh killer death move. Hayes says he can’t breathe and another officer tells the officer to remove his knee. He does so and the fight continues for another minute or two.

My thoughts on this? You can’t let him have contact with her before you speak to her. Period. Communication is key here. Hayes looks and acts drunk, but you still have to explain the situation very calmly and clearly.

“Sir, I have to check on her and make sure she is alright and get her side of things. I need you to stay here with the other officer and we should be done in a few minutes if everything is ok on her end. No sir, I can’t let you in the house right now until I talk to her and then we will be leaving.”

Then you check on her. If she is not in fear and no violence occurred on either side(throwing things can be a domestic violence crime at times) then you clear and thank them for cooperation.

When jaxson tried to push past deputies and shoves one, he just committed battery on an officer and in my opinion, all force after that point is justified.

Looking at Graham v Connor and the factors that are considered because of that case, you look at crime taking place, size and number of offenders, size and number of officers, armed or not armed, terrain, special skills of offender, subject actively fleeing or fighting, and several
More, but I will focus on these. Taking theses factors, without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight using only the info the officers had at the time of the incident, would a reasonable officer use the same levels of force.

1. officers are investigating possible domestic violence which turns into battery on an officer. So this became a violent crime.

2. jaxson is huge at 6’11” and the officers are average sized and look like children when they are on his back.

3. the number of officers vs hayes’ crew are about even in number. Only one really got involved and he seemed to be trying to keep Hayes in check, but you never know who will turn on you once the fight begins.
4. Not armed
5. Terrain. On a set of steps which makes it very difficult to fight someone
6. Special skills-subject
Is extraordinarily large and a professional athlete and is in great physical condition
7. Subject is actively fighting

I will say the knee on the neck does not bother me in the least. It was on his shoulder and jaxson is still fighting. When jaxson says he can’t breathe, he moves the knee. End of issue for me-however, the use of force experts and activists on social media are calling for charges and the officers to be fired. Ridiculous.




https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketb...o-police-union-calls-nba-investigate-incident




I have been in a very similar circumstance where there was a domestic and we had an officer in with the female half and he wouldn’t answer the radio. When I went to check on him, the male said “you ain’t going in” and I told him I was just checking on the officer and would be right back. I went to step past him and he grabbed me and Then the fight was on, and it was one of the toughest fights I ever had on duty. To make matters more difficult, I had just found out that rear naked chokes were considered deadly force and I had used plenty to quickly end fights. This guy kept giving me his back and that neck looked so inviting. The fight would have been over right away, but I didn’t use the technique and we had to hit him and use pepper spray.

He is white so it's justified. If he was black it would be unjustified.

 

[ShadowRun]

Remember the seahawks player a few years ago talking about he got target by police in vegas blah blah some video footage media ran with it and then more videos came out and he was full of shit...

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Recently, lapd released video footage of jaxson Hayes being arrested. officers were called for a domestic call where the camel says that Hayes is being nasty and aggressive. Hayes says she was being aggressive and throwing things. Officers obviously need to speak to her alone, but Hayes won’t let them enter without going with them. You absolutely can not let him go with you because you don’t want his presence Influencing her and what she tells you, plus it is Intimidating.

Officers attempt to go in to check on the female half of this and jaxson won’t let them.
Hayes tries to enter the house and deputies attempt to detain him and he shoves one against the wall and the fight is on. Hayes is 6’11” and quite a lot to handle. He is drive stunned with a taser multiple times and at one point, and officer has a knee on his neck-the oh my gosh killer death move. Hayes says he can’t breathe and another officer tells the officer to remove his knee. He does so and the fight continues for another minute or two.

My thoughts on this? You can’t let him have contact with her before you speak to her. Period. Communication is key here. Hayes looks and acts drunk, but you still have to explain the situation very calmly and clearly.

“Sir, I have to check on her and make sure she is alright and get her side of things. I need you to stay here with the other officer and we should be done in a few minutes if everything is ok on her end. No sir, I can’t let you in the house right now until I talk to her and then we will be leaving.”

Then you check on her. If she is not in fear and no violence occurred on either side(throwing things can be a domestic violence crime at times) then you clear and thank them for cooperation.

When jaxson tried to push past deputies and shoves one, he just committed battery on an officer and in my opinion, all force after that point is justified.

Looking at Graham v Connor and the factors that are considered because of that case, you look at crime taking place, size and number of offenders, size and number of officers, armed or not armed, terrain, special skills of offender, subject actively fleeing or fighting, and several
More, but I will focus on these. Taking theses factors, without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight using only the info the officers had at the time of the incident, would a reasonable officer use the same levels of force.

1. officers are investigating possible domestic violence which turns into battery on an officer. So this became a violent crime.

2. jaxson is huge at 6’11” and the officers are average sized and look like children when they are on his back.

3. the number of officers vs hayes’ crew are about even in number. Only one really got involved and he seemed to be trying to keep Hayes in check, but you never know who will turn on you once the fight begins.
4. Not armed
5. Terrain. On a set of steps which makes it very difficult to fight someone
6. Special skills-subject
Is extraordinarily large and a professional athlete and is in great physical condition
7. Subject is actively fighting

I will say the knee on the neck does not bother me in the least. It was on his shoulder and jaxson is still fighting. When jaxson says he can’t breathe, he moves the knee. End of issue for me-however, the use of force experts and activists on social media are calling for charges and the officers to be fired. Ridiculous.




https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketb...o-police-union-calls-nba-investigate-incident




I have been in a very similar circumstance where there was a domestic and we had an officer in with the female half and he wouldn’t answer the radio. When I went to check on him, the male said “you ain’t going in” and I told him I was just checking on the officer and would be right back. I went to step past him and he grabbed me and Then the fight was on, and it was one of the toughest fights I ever had on duty. To make matters more difficult, I had just found out that rear naked chokes were considered deadly force and I had used plenty to quickly end fights. This guy kept giving me his back and that neck looked so inviting. The fight would have been over right away, but I didn’t use the technique and we had to hit him and use pepper spray.

Seems like a young, dumb guy who wouldn't have had any problems if he had just gone through the motions like a normal human being. That handcuff position looked painful AF. But...