What's Your Opinion on Fedor?

Do you love or hate Fedor?

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maximus__ said:
That's why video exists. Go back and watch the fights. Who cares if they are live. You can still enjoy great technical performances and then compare them to todays heavyweights.
Francis




I know who I would rather watch fight.
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I love those old fights. It feels like back in the day putting on a show and having an exciting f honorable fight was more important than the win or the loss. Not totally the case of course but there are fighters in Japan with huge followings that lost a lot.
In today UFC if you lose 3 fights you are a bum.
 
Mind Mine said:
Well here’s where some of you so called golden era fans kinda chase people away from the sport. You don’t have to go back and waych Kareem in the 70’s to be an NBA fan. You don’t have to watch Johnny Unitas to be an NFL fan. You juat have to support and love and not disrespect the sport. Even better if you train and trust me no brag but I check every box there. I didn’t disrespect Fedor. From the time I started watching he just wasn’t an amazing worldbeater whatsoever. If you experienced him being that in a different era that’s awesome great FOR YOU. You act as if in 15 years watching I never stumbled on fights from all of the Pride legends. It’s false and presumptuous. The FACT is unless you were there believing these men were the best of the best at the time they were it simply is not close to as eyebrow raising. Not remotely. So out of respect I don’t do that. I also don’t speak on the time I wasn’t a fan but I can speak about what I saw the past 15 years in a fighter. If that’s a disrespectful thing to do maybe you are holding back the sport by denying and attacking people for simply being honest
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I respectfully suggest that if someone admitted they had only watched Michael Jordan during his Charlotte days and still wanted to discuss how good he was, he would get ridiculed on an NBA forum.

If a guy wandered into a NASCAR crowd and started saying "Dale Earnhardt really wasn't that good; do you know how many races he lost?!?" he'd probably get curb stomped.

Take it for what it's worth.

And BTW, no one disagrees with you that he wasn't peak from 2009 on. That's really all you're saying, when you boil down your last 100,000 words or so. Ya'll should agree on just that and move on.
 
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What's not to like about the guy in regards to sportsmanship and as an athlete. Fedor as a fighter is very likable. He's humble, classy, and very exciting to watch.

His crazy fans are annoying as hell though. Shit is almost cultish.
 
As a fighter he is undeniably one of the greatest.

Nobody on the forum knows if they would enjoy his company in a social setting. The old saying "Never meet your heroes" is probably good advice. I think this especially applies to older famous people. I imagine most are grumpier, world weary, tired of small talk, and find fans annoying.
 
SeattleFightFan said:
I respectfully suggest that if someone admitted they had only watched Michael Jordan during his Charlotte days and still wanted to discuss how good he was, he would get ridiculed on an NBA forum.

If a guy wandered into a NASCAR crowd and started saying "Dale Earnhardt really wasn't that good; do you know how many races he lost?!?" he'd probably get curb stomped.

Take it for what it's worth.

And BTW, no one disagrees with you that he wasn't peak from 2009 on. That's really all you're saying, when you boil down your last 100,000 words or so. Ya'll should agree on just that and move on.
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However this isn’t a GOAT thread is it? This isn’t a who do you feel had the best run thread is it? This is a thread asking a direct question do you love or hate the man. My answer is simple honest and direct. NEITHER. Since 2009 when I started watching the sport he has ben average or a pinch above and often below. I have no reason to hate the man but his fanbase attacks honesty from non Pride era fans. Also the Jordan analogy was spot on. If Jordan played 15 years in his Charlotte form he would be still remembered as a legend but he would have also had many people that started watching at the beginning of his decline wondering how the hell is this guy still starting? The only difference is NBA fans would acknowledge he should have been retired and he’s hurting his aura. Same exact thing with Roy Jones. If someone just tuned in seeing RJJ tuned up REPEATEDLY what the hell do I look like attacking them for telling the truth without shitting on the era he was great? This is why the MMA fanbase gets frowned on. Stuck in nostalgia trying to force everyone to be universal in being in awe over an era they are nostalgic about. Just tell YOUR truth and as long as the newcomers tell theirs the truth about fighter legacy gets told from all angles. Not just what you decide should be told. That is arrogant and downright annoying to think you can control the opinion of someone who watched a man fight for many years. Again where did I start speaking on his time of greatness before I was even a fan? Point out that part
 
Hatorade said:
What's not to like about the guy in regards to sportsmanship and as an athlete. Fedor as a fighter is very likable. He's humble, classy, and very exciting to watch.

His crazy fans are annoying as hell though. Shit is almost cultish.
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It IS weird.

It started as a Pride v UFC debate, pre-TUF. The Pride folks were outnumbered, but louder and more emphatic (and frankly, more pretentious).

And when Pride went away, the debate never did. As new fans showed up, they just climbed onto one bandwagon or the other, even if they became a fan after Pride ended. In fact, I might argue that like born-again's, the newer fans became even more obnoxious than us old timers!

Forums are weird and bring out the worst in people. Waddyagonnado.
 
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Hatorade said:
What's not to like about the guy in regards to sportsmanship and as an athlete. Fedor as a fighter is very likable. He's humble, classy, and very exciting to watch.

His crazy fans are annoying as hell though. Shit is almost cultish.
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So be it.
 
JarlSkuld said:
I'm indifferent, but his cult...I mean,, his fans are pretty obnoxious. Probably the worst fan base in MMA now.

Jarl
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You must not have been exposed to Shogun or BJ Penn fans when those guys were in their prime.
 
SeattleFightFan said:
It is weird.

It started as a Pride v UFC debate, pre-TUF. The Pride folks were outnumbered, but louder and more emphatic (and frankly, more pretentious). And the debate never went away. As new fans showed up, the just climbed onto one bandwagon or the other, even if they became a fan after Pride ended.

Forums are weird and bring out the worst in people.
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I've been on Sherdog since like 2005. I remember all that when tuf brought in tons of new members.

The Fedor thing got weird when PRIDE was over, and he didn't come to the UFC.
It created a big shroud of mystery.
He kept smashing former champs, but he wasn't fighting the top guys by the time JDS, Chain, and Brock showed up.

As much as I was a fan of Fedor, I think he didn't fight too many great fighters in their prime outside of Cro Cop and Big Nog. I would have really liked to have seen him fight some of those light heavyweight guys like Shogun, Page, Chuck, Silva etc. There just was never a lot of good heavyweights in this sport. I think fighting some of those light heavyweight guys would have really helped his resume. He fought it heavyweight but he was around the same size as all those guys.
 
Definitely no Fedor super fan, but it’s damn hard to not respect what he did in what is most likely the strongest era of the HW division.

That fight where he gets tossed through the air on his neck by Randleman and wins the fight 30 seconds later like nothing happened is still one of the craziest moments in MMA I’ve ever seen.
 
Get To Da Choppa said:
Favorite fighter of all time. His fights in Pride, especially his comeback after the Randleplex is what got me into MMA

Beloved by all, especially JCVD

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I'm in love with him... I mean I like him. He's one of the guys that got me into MMA.
 
Mind Mine said:
Well here’s where some of you so called golden era fans kinda chase people away from the sport. You don’t have to go back and waych Kareem in the 70’s to be an NBA fan. You don’t have to watch Johnny Unitas to be an NFL fan. You juat have to support and love and not disrespect the sport. Even better if you train and trust me no brag but I check every box there. I didn’t disrespect Fedor. From the time I started watching he just wasn’t an amazing worldbeater whatsoever. If you experienced him being that in a different era that’s awesome great FOR YOU. You act as if in 15 years watching I never stumbled on fights from all of the Pride legends. It’s false and presumptuous. The FACT is unless you were there believing these men were the best of the best at the time they were it simply is not close to as eyebrow raising. Not remotely. So out of respect I don’t do that. I also don’t speak on the time I wasn’t a fan but I can speak about what I saw the past 15 years in a fighter. If that’s a disrespectful thing to do maybe you are holding back the sport by denying and attacking people for simply being honest
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Mate, I don't even know what you are talking about. You take this forum thing way to personally. It's a conversation where people disagree.
I am trying to educate you on one of the greatest eras in MMA to watch. It still holds up to this day. No one is going back and watching full UFC cards often in this day and age, where as plenty of people watch the Pride events in full all the time.
You say you train, then you want to be studying that era of fighting. That era of the heavyweight was one of the most skilled we have ever seen. Fedor in particular was one of the first guys to actually have a complete game and transition from striking, to the clinch for a takedown and then either sub or ground and pound his opponent. He was so successful because he fought like a lighter weight fighter and was so far ahead of his time. It's rare to even see people able to transition like that to this day and be as dominant as he was. If you transported that version of Fedor into the UFC today, he would easily be top 5 with how well rounded he was. That's something I can confidently say.

Team sport vs individual sport doesn't compare. Plenty of people will go back and watch old boxing fights etc. I don't care if you don't like Fedor or not to be honest, but all your arguments of why you don't are pretty flawed.
You are in a thread about loving or hating Fedor. Don't get upset if someone challenges you and makes an argument for him or even against him. It's the point of the thread.
 
ocfightfan said:
You must not have been exposed to Shogun or BJ Penn fans when those guys were in their prime.
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I've heard horror stories. But, I am specifically referring to currently...and maybe I should have specified further: on Sherdog.

Jarl
 
Mind Mine said:
However this isn’t a GOAT thread is it? This isn’t a who do you feel had the best run thread is it? This is a thread asking a direct question do you love or hate the man. My answer is simple honest and direct. NEITHER. Since 2009 when I started watching the sport he has ben average or a pinch above and often below. I have no reason to hate the man but his fanbase attacks honesty from non Pride era fans. Also the Jordan analogy was spot on. If Jordan played 15 years in his Charlotte form he would be still remembered as a legend but he would have also had many people that started watching at the beginning of his decline wondering how the hell is this guy still starting? The only difference is NBA fans would acknowledge he should have been retired and he’s hurting his aura. Same exact thing with Roy Jones. If someone just tuned in seeing RJJ tuned up REPEATEDLY what the hell do I look like attacking them for telling the truth without shitting on the era he was great? This is why the MMA fanbase gets frowned on. Stuck in nostalgia trying to force everyone to be universal in being in awe over an era they are nostalgic about. Just tell YOUR truth and as long as the newcomers tell theirs the truth about fighter legacy gets told from all angles. Not just what you decide should be told. That is arrogant and downright annoying to think you can control the opinion of someone who watched a man fight for many years. Again where did I start speaking on his time of greatness before I was even a fan? Point out that part
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You keep saying he is average. Name a single heavyweight who has done what he has done or even name a single fighter. GSP is the closest by avenging his losses and returning to capture the MW belt.
He is 12-5 with wins over multiple UFC champs, title challengers and last lost when he fought for the Bellator belt in a grand prix in 2019.His losses have all come to UFC title holders, challengers or holders of multiple belts in major orgs. His worse loss is Mittrione who had a 9-4 UFC record and would have been top 10 ranked if Browne hadn't scooped his eyeball out of his head.
He just beat the number 2 guy at HW and could arguably fight for the HW belt in his last fight before riding off into the sunset. All in the twilight of his career.
MMA exists outside the UFC. Plenty of UFC heavyweights would get starched over in Bellator, the division sucks all round not just there. Guys like Arlovski are still going on win streaks 20 years on in the UFC.
 
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