International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[Rod1]

If that was the case they wouldn't have required conscription nor prevented them from leaving Ukraine.

There's literally no information available on casualties. Morale etc . I think you're all going to be shocked when the reality of this all comes out. Eventually

No, but there is plenty information on territorial gains made by Ukraine which would not be possible to make if troops were poorly trained and motivated.

Maybe they have tons of conscripts but they are not being sent to the front without training,

 

[Rational Poster]

Well, looks that politicians in west europe does knows what will happen if Ukr will get 404 or submitted.

Dreamers dream: ukr refugees will rush to relocate back to Ukr.
Russia will sell commoditities maybe even with huge discounts....

Realists perspective: number of refugees from Ukr in the same Poland and Germany, Slovakia, Chech Republic etc.....will peak up and then ....current refugees number will look like small piece of cake.
+ instead of current trend mainly kids and females .....
will get a lot of males....in even higher number......

Damn....
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Dreamers dream: Russia will stop with Ukr.

Realists opinion: we will see hell with Moldova, Russia with border vs Hungary and Slovakia, more borderline with Poland and there.......

First step in empire game will start.
And " Empire that should be " is core of russian world ideology.
Red from Portugal and U.K and Greenland till Vladivostok.

Dugin's ideas are " Russian World " core....
While now he is old, rich and very boring guy repeatedly talking the same stuff.

All most impactful stuff he had told and written before 2008 th.
So no reason for someone to deal with him...
Nothing new he will tell and is boring.
His daughter: it is like Solovjov or Kiselev...easily repleacable ( propagandists are really well paid ) unit ....
There too no reason to deal with such parrot.
Kremlin each day might find next one....

I talked about this in earlier versions of the thread. This Russian fascism is a real thing for their drunken elites. They actually want to create a Eurasian empire with Russia as the leader and to take over western hegemony. It's not a joke.

The disagreement within Russia is how they go about doing it. Putin seems to be somewhere in the middle, but other drunk Russian losers are much more extreme.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

"But I want to be able to sell products to Russia when they've lost" u-turn from the world's least favourite cosmonaut wannabe.

And I think it's gonna be a long, long time...

 

[A Lurker]

Should kick them out of the UN

Should kick them in the penis

 

[A Lurker]

Good chance he’s not even in Ukraine right now. He’ll stay in power till the last young Ukrainian man is used as his cannon fodder.

get fucked you pepe avatar incel

 

[Anewt]

No, but there is plenty information on territorial gains made by Ukraine which would not be possible to make if troops were poorly trained and motivated.

Maybe they have tons of conscripts but they are not being sent to the front without training,

That's a change from the beginning. Originally it was volunteer territory defence units getting sent to places they had no business being.

Quite a few were upset at being used as fodder in the donbas as they definitely didn't volunteer to fight there.

Ditto the shit show for foriegn fighters in Ukraine.


By your theory does that mean when Russia was gaining territory it wasn't with poorly motivated and untrained troops. Which is the opposite of the general claims.

There's a reason they aren't declaring numbers of casualties and whose been dying where. I'd lean towards those reasons being bad for morale and quite shocking more so than low casualties and high morale. ( same reason for Russia )

 

[A Lurker]

Just remember the average Russian citizen suffers too as well as you Ukrainians. We need humanity.

Truly fuck them

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

No, but there is plenty information on territorial gains made by Ukraine which would not be possible to make if troops were poorly trained and motivated.

Maybe they have tons of conscripts but they are not being sent to the front without training,

It looked a bit sad in the beginning, you would see these 60 year old Ukrainians picking up AKs from wooden crates.
Also women and old people making molotov cocktails.
They looked motivated but utterly incapable of fighting.
Of course, it seems the Ukrainian had a very good skeleton crew of professional soldiers that was able to absorb a large amount of conscripts.
The thing about conscripts is that they aren't bad if they're used as privates and you have a strong NCO and Officer corps.
Russia hasn't been able to do this while Ukraine has.
Also, Russia isn't failing just because of conscripts. Their intelligence service is probably entirely professional but they suck compared to NATO, and which they give to the Ukrainians.
Also, their logistics such, again, mostly run by professionals.
Lastly, their hardware has severe flaws. Tanks do get hit by ATGMs in modern warfare but soviet tanks explode and kill their entire crews, lol.

 

[Rational Poster]

It looked a bit sad in the beginning, you would see these 60 year old Ukrainians picking up AKs from wooden crates.
Also women and old people making molotov cocktails.
They looked motivated but utterly incapable of fighting.
Of course, it seems the Ukrainian had a very good skeleton crew of professional soldiers that was able to absorb a large amount of conscripts.
The thing about conscripts is that they aren't bad if they're used as privates and you have a strong NCO and Officer corps.
Russia hasn't been able to do this while Ukraine has.
Also, Russia isn't failing just because of conscripts. Their intelligence service is probably entirely professional but they suck compared to NATO, and which they give to the Ukrainians.
Also, their logistics such, again, mostly run by professionals.
Lastly, their hardware has severe flaws. Tanks do get hit by ATGMs in modern warfare but soviet tanks explode and kill their entire crews, lol.

The difference in tank design between the US and Russia is quite telling about their general philosophy.

Russian doctrine was about getting as many tanks as they can and to do that they have maintained use of the obviously flawed autoloaders to keep the crew members down so they can field more tanks. They're cramped, small, and uncomfortable for the crew.

The US made tanks that protect their crew. They didn't adopt they auto loader because a well trained crew is faster and more accurate than an autoloader. It's spacious in comparison and has plenty of armor not just to protect the tank from enemy fire but the crew from catastrophic failure. A tank crew is worth more than a tank.

 

[Badr Hari]

It is obvious Ukraine has the operational initiative and more than that (they are making tactical progress too). With this tempo they'll surely gain ground more and win battles in different sections of the front. This trend has been going on for a month now and it will likely go on for one or two more months. The X factor for Russia, which is why I'm not yet counting them out, is their mobilization. What if the videos we see of it going all wrong and chaotic, are just a small part of the entire process. I mean, I don't believe that, and I've been the first to predict failure of the mobilization process the day they've announced it. It isn't a big chance for Russia, but it is their only chance, unless they really kept their 'real' army somewhere hidden lol

In two months time, once the newly mobilized units are in the front, we'll have a clearer picture of where this whole thing is going. If they aren't able to turn the tide in a meaningful way in a short time, spring could very well be the final stage of the war.

 

[SandisLL]

Tanks do get hit by ATGMs in modern warfare but soviet tanks explode and kill their entire crews, lol.

This is cos autoloader.

If it will be hurt seriously....turret might turn into flying toy.
T-72 and T-90 autoloaders still are less prone than T-64 and T-80 type stuff.
Due to construction differences.....
3 man crew and low height, weight lesser than 50metric tons : it looks that had been USSR doctrine....

 

[Badr Hari]

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

The difference in tank design between the US and Russia is quite telling about their general philosophy.

Russian doctrine was about getting as many tanks as they can and to do that they have maintained use of the obviously flawed autoloaders to keep the crew members down so they can field more tanks. They're cramped, small, and uncomfortable for the crew.

The US made tanks that protect their crew. They didn't adopt they auto loader because a well trained crew is faster and more accurate than an autoloader. It's spacious in comparison and has plenty of armor not just to protect the tank from enemy fire but the crew from catastrophic failure. A tank crew is worth more than a tank.

I've read the US developed a pretty good autoloader back then but choose not to use it. The French have a supposedly safe autoloader in the Leclerc.
I'm unsure if an autoloader is inherently bad but the entire T-72 series is just obsolete. It was a decent tank back then but modern missiles such as the NLAW make it too vulnerable.
The M-60 Patton or the Leopard I are closer to it, there is no comparison between the T-72/90 and any modern western tank.
Russia is still in the 80s.

 

[PEB]

 

[Queen B]

Biden says Putin is not joking about using tactical nukes, and if he does there will be Armageddon

 

[PEB]

According to NBC no evidence has been discovered yet pointing blame at Ukraine over the death of the daughter of close Russian associate to Putin. It turns out NYT "a conservative favorite when it goes after democrats" possibly made up the story without validation of the story. It does not seem to line up with others doing research into the matter including the government.

 

[AWilder]

According to NBC no evidence has been discovered yet pointing blame at Ukraine over the death of the daughter of close Russian associate to Putin. It turns out NYT "a conservative favorite when it goes after democrats" possibly made up the story without validation of the story. It does not seem to line up with others doing research into the matter including the government.

Didn't some internal Russian group take credit?

 

[PEB]

Biden says Putin is not joking about using tactical nukes, and if he does there will be Armageddon

It's very possible with Samantha Powers talking about rebuilding Ukraine end game. US must be pushing Ukraine to setup an draw an end goal an come to the realization that cannot cause nuclear retaliation by Russia. I think he wants to offer to aid with rebuilding in return for goal end goal.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

 

[Anewt]

According to NBC no evidence has been discovered yet pointing blame at Ukraine over the death of the daughter of close Russian associate to Putin. It turns out NYT "a conservative favorite when it goes after democrats" possibly made up the story without validation of the story. It does not seem to line up with others doing research into the matter including the government.

Who gives a shit about your " conservative/ democrats " why does everything always end up about usa's stupid two teams lol.

Source plz ? Tried a quick search but found nothing

Also ... how the hell is a article saying Ukraine performs actions not known or condoned by the American government going at democrats?