International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[Rational Poster]

I've read the US developed a pretty good autoloader back then but choose not to use it. The French have a supposedly safe autoloader in the Leclerc.
I'm unsure if an autoloader is inherently bad but the entire T-72 series is just obsolete. It was a decent tank back then but modern missiles such as the NLAW make it too vulnerable.
The M-60 Patton or the Leopard I are closer to it, there is no comparison between the T-72/90 and any modern western tank.
Russia is still in the 80s.

From what I understand, the Russian autoloaders at least, the ammo isn't stored as securely. So it isn't that the autoloading function is bad but the design requirements to use it make the tank more vulnerable. It operates as intended, it reduces the crew requirements by one, but the trade off is survivability which for most of their service has been fine. They never had to fight anyone that could actually fight back like this and really, no one has.

Abrams ammo is stored in secure compartments almost like a ship's bulkhead and is designed to direct the blast outward away from the crew. It's proven very effective at crew survivability and even of the tank itself. Even the Saudi's haven't managed to have one cook off like Russian tanks often do.

 

[GhostZ06]

thats nasty as fuck bro.


*orders a ticket*

 

[USA!USA!]

Biden says Putin is not joking about using tactical nukes, and if he does there will be Armageddon

The Russians around Putin can't let that happen. If they love their country - or want their families to live - that is not in their best interest.

 

[Queen B]

The Russians around Putin can't let that happen. If they love their country - or want their families to live - that is not in their best interest.

I think its a scare tactic towards the Russians more than anything

 

[Denter]

 

[The XL]

How is getting us in a potential nuclear war in the best interests of the American people? Why are we involved in this again?

 

[Err]

How is getting us in a potential nuclear war in the best interests of the American people? Why are we involved in this again?

Because Russia was and is on a collision course with all of its neighbors so instead of waiting western nations are opting to use this conflict to destroy Russias geopolitical influence and their military capabilities.

 

[Cid]

This was Crimea in 1994. I've not seen anyone argue that if a fair vote was held that Crimeans would choose Ukraine.

They would now.

 

[ShadowRun]

No mean tweets tho

 

[Misfit23]

No mean tweets tho

I'm not sure how Trump being in office would have a different outcome? Does Putin not invade if Trump is in office?

 

[Joe]

No mean tweets tho

Deep post like always

 

[Strychnine]

 

[skysolo]

U.S. senator threatens Elon Musk for wrong think regarding the war.

 

[San Marino]

How is getting us in a potential nuclear war in the best interests of the American people?

It would keep Trump from being re-elected.

Why are we involved in this again?

Something about Donald Trump.
Russia, North Korea, and Iran. Yeah, that was all Trump too. Biden will never take responsibilities for his actions.
If something goes well, blame it on Biden.
If something goes bad, blame it on Trump.
It has only been 2 years and look at how fucked up things are. Let us see how much worse things will get in the next 2 years.
Under Biden, I can see Russia going nuclear, but if it does, it will be Trump's fault, again!

 

[The XL]

Because Russia was and is on a collision course with all of its neighbors so instead of waiting western nations are opting to use this conflict to destroy Russias geopolitical influence and their military capabilities.

Risking nuclear war off of an assumption isn't very smart.

 

[Anewt]

Theres a hundred but but Biden but but Trump threads. Do we have to do it In here as well?

 

[Rholk]

'They' are trying to figure things out. What is Biden's off ramp? Where does he find a way for this war to end and stop the slaughter?
He (and the cronies in the White House) helped Ukraine into this mess. No, not Trump. Why isn't Biden more involved with Putin in ending this conflict. This is the guy leading the US and its military?

The way this war this ends is by Russia getting out of Ukraine.
The more support we give the Ukranians, the sooner Russia will get backed out.

"Boohoo the US is using the Ukraine and started this war"
Fuck off with this bullshit, Russia started this war because they started losing influence on their neighbour.
All the west does is support the Ukraines efforts

 

[San Marino]

The way this war this ends is by Russia getting out of Ukraine.

Well, it would not have started if Biden told Putin Ukraine was not going to join NATO. Biden did not do shit. He (democrats) wants a way to topple Putin. A Ukraine/Russian war is not the way to do this.

The more support we give the Ukrainians, the sooner Russia will get backed out.

...or maybe get us into a nuclear war.

Fuck off with this bullshit, Russia started this war because they started losing influence on their neighbour.

"In the world of the blind, the one-eyed man rules."
'neighbour' - British?

 

[Cid]

Sigh. Gotta love the dehumanizing.




The exact same can be said about the vast majority of countries.

It's insane how many people think it's different when the " west " does it.

Fucking mental

You think if it was our country getting destroyed as badly as Russia we'd be doing nothing? Fuck off apologist.

 

[Anewt]

You think if it was our country getting destroyed as badly as Russia we'd be doing nothing? Fuck off apologist.

Want a tissue mate? You're one angry chap.
Did we stop Afghanistan? Did we stop Iraq? Nope.
Did we shut down harsher than the majority of the world? Yep.



Yeah the vast majority will do nothing in our country just like most. like always. It's normal shrug