Elections 2020 Democratic Nevada Primary Thread

[Fawlty]

Mitch is going to shut down America for 4 years. They don't see it yet.

 

[bobgeese]

@Sano
This guy is willingly ignorant and like Trump he thinks saying it makes it so.

Bullshit. He will increase wages for workers, he will combat predatory lending and medical debt, he will eliminate out of pocket healthcare expenses, he will fight to give everyone healthcare and reduce healthcare spending for the majority of the working class, he will expand opportunity for education for the working class, he will give workers equity in their companies, he will fight to get money out of politics and improve democracy, he will create millions of new jobs and he has transition plans for workers in both the healthcare and fracking industry. You don't give a shit about the working class and comparing millions of hard working people to beggars reveals as much.

Lol

When the working class supports him: "He's the beggars class candidate. Lazy people with no jobs and who want to freeload are the only ones that like him!"

When the well-off support him: "He's the candidate for the out of touch elites! They'll be fine in their gated communities and golf clubs while we get screwed!"

What do you mean by we? Feel free to share them.

Refute the facts with numbers, not feelings or what you hope will happen.


Bernie is promising 60 trillion worth of free shit.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/politics/bernie-sanders-proposals-cost/index.html




Even if healthcare eventually runs even with the current costs (it won’t save money for a fair amount of time), you’re still 30 trillion dollars short.


And you have zero chance of actually passing the legislation.









But ya know, Bernie makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. I guess that’s enough for commies.

The rest of us keep warm with a job.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Wait do you idiots really believe it's a smear to call Bernie socialist?

Holy hell, you guys are thinking like people in a cult.

It is a smear the way it is being used as Bernies proposals are no more socialist than the federal and state welfare programs, healthcare and medical are, housing subsidies, energy and utilities subsidies, education and childcare assistance, and subsidies and assistance to farming and others are.

You are not trying to equate Bernie wanting to expand these areas to those type of socialist things. The attempt here is to purposely slander it as something more akin to communism.

You can be honest about it. Or not but you are only fooling yourself if you pretend you are not trying to use it as a slight.

 

[bobgeese]

Mitch is going to shut down America for 4 years. They don't see it yet.

But.... but... you don’t understand.


Bernie is gonna have people put public pressure on Mitch, he’ll have to do it....







Dear Bernie bros, how well did public outrage stop McConnell from stealing a Supreme Court seat?

 

[MikeMcMann]

What "crying victim" are you on about? This place is getting weird in a hurry as Bernie picks up momentum.

There is constant crying about how mean/attacking Bernie supporters are. If you have not seen it just look upthread at Jack's post.

This despite the fact there would be no comparison in demonstrating Bernie takes far more incoming abuse than probably all other candidates combined.

 

[franklinstower]

Wait do you idiots really believe it's a smear to call Bernie socialist?

Holy hell, you guys are thinking like people in a cult.

Do you think using the word socialist to describe Bernie instead of democratic socialist, and not taking the time to qualify what it means, is soft support for a Trump second term? I do.

We need you guys to get on board man. We still have Trump to defeat and that is no joke and no easy task.

You have been going on and on about unity. Its time you walked the talk.

 

[Deleted member 555403]

Mitch is going to shut down America for 4 years. They don't see it yet.

you dont seem to understand. That is exactly what I want. With a president encouraging mass mobilization at the same time. To actually shut down shit in america to extract concessions, not symbolic shutting down of government.

 

[MikeMcMann]

It's funny you say that because Bernie's plan will make everyone who works at a company have tons of their $$$ just in that one company:

Workers will be guaranteed the right to vote the shares given to them through this plan. The funds will enjoy the same voting rights as any other institutional shareholder and their shares will not be permitted to be transferred or sold. Instead, they will be held permanently in trust for the workforce. Dividend payments will be made from the Funds directly to employees.
source: https://berniesanders.com/issues/corporate-accountability-and-democracy/

So if their company ever goes out of business, the workers are fuuuuucked. Poof goes like half their wealth.

haha you are a troll.

This is an ADDITIONAL benefit for workers. It does not prevent them having a 401K or outside investments.

You are the first one I have ever seen suggest things like stock option plans are bad to have because if your company goes broke you lose that.

All those poor Silicon Valley workers with their stock in their companies. If Google, Facebook or Apple goes broke what will they do?

Troll less.

 

[Fawlty]

Do you think using the word socialist to describe Bernie instead of democratic socialist, and not taking the time to qualify what it means, is soft support for a Trump second term? I do.

Oh fuck off with this shit.

I'm not smearing the guy, it's what he is. This all of a sudden became a smear.

We need you guys to get on board man. We still have Trump to defeat and that is no joke and no easy task.

You have been going on and on about unity. Its time you walked the talk.

This "we need you on board" crap is condescending and dumb. Question for ya. How much $ have you given to Sanders?

 

[franklinstower]

Oh fuck off with this shit.

I'm not smearing the guy, it's what he is. This all of a sudden became a smear.


This "we need you on board" crap is condescending and dumb. Question for ya. How much $ have you given to Sanders?

I have donated to Sanders several times not that it is any of your business or that it proves anything one way or the other. I will give a TON more if/when he is in the general.

Fawlty. Saying Bernie Sanders is a socialist in a derogatory way is lying by omission and feeding the oppositions narrative. You can and should do better. You should present his policies as honestly as you can and not feed the trolls.

Trump is very dangerous. He has a disintegrating effect on moral and on unity and we need to beat him. I think he has the potential to permanently damage our democracy.

Fuck any progressives who really are assholes man but don't take it out on Bernie as that is soft support for Trump. I know this is just our little insignificant corner of the world but it is our corner of the world and we should all do our best to beat the bad orange man.

When I said we need you on board I was serious about that. You play a role here and have some influence.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

This is what worries me about Bernie: if you do anything outside of normal and average, you get fucked. If you do something exciting like work overseas for a foreign company, he still takes your stocks but you don't get to be in one of those funds; this is a fringe lifestyle that he didn't account for. Want to work as a contractor (eg -- I want to travel the world as a remote programming contractor), bam you get fucked by things Bernie supports like California's AB5 (this is why Dave Meltzer, for example, can't legally do MMA reporting anymore); this is a fringe lifestyle that he didn't account for.

If you don't work 9-5 for a big company that can be closely monitored and tightly regulated, the shackles just pop up everywhere you turn. Socialism forces everyone to do average, normal things or else they get fucked by one of millions of rules that are established to dictate your life because anything outside the ordinary is difficult to regulate or isn't going to get thought of when writing in exceptions to regulations.

I want to travel the world, work all over it, and just generally do non-average things. If we elect people like Bernie, obstacles just keep popping up and make it exceedingly difficult.

I understand your concerns and sympathize with them as someone who has somewhat similar interests and plans, but I think you're instantly going to a doomsday scenario which is highly unlikely to happen. Currently, there are more people from more tightly regulated social democracies in Europe and elsewhere that are living these lifestyles than Americans and they don't seem to have these issues. In fact, Americans seem to have it harder because of the peculiarities of our tax laws which tax incomes overseas unlike other countries (which is why many American expats renounce their American citizenship), and that has nothing to do with Bernie and is a problem under Republican presidents as well as Democrats. I fully support revising these tax laws to be more fair to expats.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

My favorite argument that I see is "You can't run Bernie, he is a socialist!"

According to the right, Obama and Clinton were socialists. You could have a Biden/Pete ticket and they would get called socialist.

It is just a word to most people anymore.

No doubt. They'd call Bloomberg a socialist if he was the nominee. And a lot of their idiotic base would buy it. It's self-serving sociopaths deluding morons and emotionally unstable people.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Are you saying that diluting 20% of the stocks, thus reducing your share of a company's equity to 80% of its prior value, will raise a portfolio's value????

i'm saying this is nothing really that new.

Giving a new CEO a massive SOP or adding an SOP for employees has not proven to diminish long term value.

You seem to be under the impression that growth and value is linear and guaranteed and that is not the case. A good CEO and a motivated staff with similarly aligned profit motives can make a company grow better, faster, more profitable.

So you cannot just assume that whatever the stock value is tomorrow it would be 20% more if they did not have a SOP for Management or employees.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Same fake ass posters over and over again with the “but his supporters” talking point. I cannot wait until Tom Perez points you’re guys in different direction.

 

[Sano]

Refute the facts with numbers, not feelings or what you hope will happen.


Bernie is promising 60 trillion worth of free shit.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/politics/bernie-sanders-proposals-cost/index.html




Even if healthcare eventually runs even with the current costs (it won’t save money for a fair amount of time), you’re still 30 trillion dollars short.


And you have zero chance of actually passing the legislation.









But ya know, Bernie makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. I guess that’s enough for commies.

The rest of us keep warm with a job.

This concern trolling nonsense.

You attempt to claim facts and numbers yet you cite a CNN "possible" projection. I went over this with you posting all the compiled data for healthcare cost estimates showing that Bernie could easily pay for it, and that it would, by most accounts, save money. Then you went quiet as a mouse, ignored it and reverted back to your talking point.

The economy survived the biggest crash since the great depression, I think itll survive giving healthcare and education to the people like all other OECD countries in the world.

Imagine being so under the thumb by big pharma and business that you willingly lay down and accept getting screwed over. Let me ask you, whats your opinion on the healthcare situation and what would you do about it?

 

[High Altitude]

This is awesome. I can’t wait for Bernie to win and everything becomes free.

 

[PEB]

Did Bernie get his running mate?

 

[Slick_36]

Did Bernie get his running mate?

I'm not sure what her qualifications are from a logistical standpoint but I sure do love her heart. I'm glad to see her involved.

 

[superpunch]

I understand your concerns and sympathize with them as someone who has somewhat similar interests and plans, but I think you're instantly going to a doomsday scenario which is highly unlikely to happen. Currently, there are more people from more tightly regulated social democracies in Europe and elsewhere that are living these lifestyles than Americans and they don't seem to have these issues. In fact, Americans seem to have it harder because of the peculiarities of our tax laws which tax incomes overseas unlike other countries (which is why many American expats renounce their American citizenship), and that has nothing to do with Bernie and is a problem under Republican presidents as well as Democrats. I fully support revising these tax laws to be more fair to expats.

I disagree only because Bernie is not a European style socialist. He's much further left wing and that's why the possibility of his presidency scares me.

 

[Slick_36]

I disagree only because Bernie is not a European style socialist. He's much further left wing and that's why the possibility of his presidency scares me.

Weird, I've seen people from other countries think it's laughable to call him a radical based on his proposals. He says himself that he wants to base his policies on Scandinavian socialism. What makes him so much further left in your opinion?