House report on Boeing 737 Max published

[Rational Poster]

Nuclear power is by far the cleanest and safest energy per unit of power produced. It's just that it has the potential for the most calamitous and enduring failures when there is a categorical breakdown of safety.

I think the real sticking point is still the mid to long term management of nuclear waste materials.

Some of it can be reprocessed again, but some of it is only good for bombs and the rest is toxic to people and the environment for like 20,000 to 200,000 years.

At scale, we'll have exponentially more excess nuclear bomb material "on the market" and also still no good way to deal with the toxic waste that remains. The plan for waste is still to just dig a deep hole and hope for the best over the next 200,000 years.

Transporting the waste is a logistical nightmare for what we currently manage in what limited storage locations exist. At scale this problem just gets even worse.

 

[Prutfis]

No idea how one sleeps at night knowing their greed caused the deaths of 346 people. Absolutely sickening.

 

[Scerpi]

Which is worrying when nuclear power corps doing the same thing, covering up internal mess ups, paying lobbyists for favorable regulations, paying consulting firms to shift public perception that nuclear power is clean and safe.

It is clean and safe... lol

By far the cleanest and safest form of energy generation ever created.

Not even close

 

[WhiteMousse]

Execs and ops mgmt of Boeing should be thrown in prison

 

[HereticBD]

No idea how one sleeps at night knowing their greed caused the deaths of 346 people. Absolutely sickening.

Didn't they also try and cheap out on the settlements as well? Pretty sure it was them. I believe they argued that since the people died instantly, there was little pain and suffering involved, and they should have the settlement sum lowered based on that. Something like that.

 

[Whippy McGee]

I agree with the report on Boeing putting cost cuts over safety... and quality. They hired the 3rd world to make their planes and this is the result.

 

[HereticBD]

I agree with the report on Boeing putting cost cuts over safety... and quality. They hired the 3rd world to make their planes and this is the result.

To be fair, they were fucking up before the DEI initiative. Shit, they tried to blame one of the crashes during that whole "sensor" fuck up, on the pilots being from a poor brown nation. Meanwhile, they actually proved that the pilots did everything they were supposed to do in that situation, and followed Boeing's guidelines to a tee.

They're just a greedy cheap ass company. When they lost their #1 spot to some newer airlines, they competed by refurbishing old planes and presenting them as new.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Didn't they also try and cheap out on the settlements as well? Pretty sure it was them. I believe they argued that since the people died instantly, there was little pain and suffering involved, and they should have the settlement sum lowered based on that. Something like that.

Yep. Their lawyers argued that in court

 

[I Am Legion]

Why would Boeing be punished? Big Pharm kills and hurts way more people and they cover up the bad stuff and move on. Happened on a national scale which we all saw. We have seen it from the food industry with harmful chemicals. We saw what Wall Street and the banking industry gets away with. We have corrupt people ruled by greed in ALL facets of our economy. Both political parties on all levels have dirty hands.

 

[Whippy McGee]

To be fair, they were fucking up before the DEI initiative. Shit, they tried to blame one of the crashes during that whole "sensor" fuck up, on the pilots being from a poor brown nation. Meanwhile, they actually proved that the pilots did everything they were supposed to do in that situation, and followed Boeing's guidelines to a tee.

They're just a greedy cheap ass company. When they lost their #1 spot to some newer airlines, they competed by refurbishing old planes and presenting them as new.

They blamed the wrong 3rd World people. The Indian programmers that created that mess were the issue.

 

[HockeyBjj]

They blamed the wrong 3rd World people. The Indian programmers that created that mess were the issue.

The programming did what it was supposed to do

It was the specifications that came in from the American company to make a hidden anti-stall feature so that they could claim it was just a plane update with the unbalanced engines rather than a new flight system on a modified airframe that was the problem

The spec wanted the “nose down” movements to be so subtle the pilot wouldn’t notice them, so that the pilot would realize each time it activated how close to stalling they were on takeoffs.

 

[terrapin]

Why would Boeing be punished? Big Pharm kills and hurts way more people and they cover up the bad stuff and move on. Happened on a national scale which we all saw. We have seen it from the food industry with harmful chemicals. We saw what Wall Street and the banking industry gets away with. We have corrupt people ruled by greed in ALL facets of our economy. Both political parties on all levels have dirty hands.

In the case of Boeing, it's easy to prove direct causation between what they did and what the FAA did (legislators actually) in allowing their responsibilities to be delegated to Boeing employees instead of FAA inspectors leading to crashes, problems etc. Whereas with nutrition and chemicals, a direct line of causation is very difficult to prove.

 

[terrapin]

The programming did what it was supposed to do

It was the specifications that came in from the American company to make a hidden anti-stall feature so that they could claim it was just a plane update with the unbalanced engines rather than a new flight system on a modified airframe that was the problem

The spec wanted the “nose down” movements to be so subtle the pilot wouldn’t notice them, so that the pilot would realize each time it activated how close to stalling they were on takeoffs.

that's some devious stuff they pulled here. on another note one pilot had a sticky note attached to the instrument panel reminding him not to use the engine de- icer for more than 5 minutes because that could cause major problems (shattered engine blocks) and he used his android phone to time it!!!

I think deregulation needs to be brought up more on this topic. there was tons of fuckery going on purely internal to Boeing but allowing the FAA to delegate its own responsibilities to Boeing employees is also a major issue here. that should not be allowed when assessing the safety of an airplane.

 

[terrapin]

friend says it is NOT suicide and that he thought he might be murdered.

 

[nonoob]

I think its in this breakdown. It's called delegation and it allows for Boeing employees to also be FAA inspectors, which is obviously a conflict of interest due to deregulation policies.

Foxes guarding the hen houses is a problem ? /s​

 

[terrapin]

Foxes guarding the hen houses is a problem ? /s​

Apparently some people don't see the connection....

 

[nonoob]

Apparently some people don't see the connection....

They F'n see it, and hope others are too stupid, or scared, to address it.

 

[Dalarna3]

Government should break Boeing up and initiate competition between the successors

 

[emefer]

 

[AWilder]