Social Housing is a human right?

[Contempt]

I would say that saying housing is a right as in given at birth is not accurate but everyone should have access to housing

People are inherently lazy and will overwhelmingly pick the path of least resistance. If you provide for all their needs then why would anyone bother to try or work for anything?

As they used to say in the soviet union: they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work. They got the same outcome whatever they did so no-one gave a crap.

 

[nhbbear]

People are inherently lazy and will overwhelmingly pick the path of least resistance. If you provide for all their needs then why would anyone bother to try or work for anything?

As they used to say in the soviet union: they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work. They got the same outcome whatever they did so no-one gave a crap.

I am not saying that we have to give each one a house but we have to make an effort to get the ones that can function housing. I have no idea what to do about homelessness in the west in some cities though

 

[Contempt]

I am not saying that we have to give each one a house but we have to make an effort to get the ones that can function housing. I have no idea what to do about homelessness in the west in some cities though

OK, this requires two things: resources(wood, brick, glass etc) and manpower to plan and build it.

Where is this going to come from?

...and after this is all provided, who is going to pay for the electricity, water, upkeep to the property?

That's the problem with emotional arguments such as the premise this thread is based on. Where the rubber hits the road and they need to figure out how to actually make it work, they have nothing.

Look at all the big cities with liberals in charge. They think they have all these amazing policies to fix it all but in reality these places end up the biggest shitholes in the country. If their ideas are so good, how could this be the end result?

This is why my opinions are slowly turning more and more conservative as I age. The old saying: "If you don't vote liberal when you're 20 you have no heart, if you don't vote conservative when you're 40 you have no brain" really has some truth to it.

Intentions and pretty words don't count for shit. I want results.

 

[nhbbear]

OK, this requires two things: resources(wood, brick, glass etc) and manpower to plan and build it.

Where is this going to come from?

...and after this is all provided, who is going to pay for the electricity, water, upkeep to the property?

That's the problem with emotional arguments such as the premise this thread is based on. Where the rubber hits the road and they need to figure out how to actually make it work, they have nothing.

Look at all the big cities with liberals in charge. They think they have all these amazing policies to fix it all but in reality these places end up the biggest shitholes in the country. If their ideas are so good, how could this be the end result?

This is why my opinions are slowly turning more and more conservative as I age. The old saying: "If you don't vote liberal when you're 20 you have no heart, if you don't vote conservative when you're 40 you have no brain" really has some truth to it.

Intentions and pretty words don't count for shit. I want results.

Habitat for humanity is one group that builds houses for homeless. There are others. And these can be the mini houses. For families, use an actual house. Where does the money come from? Seriously, we spend trillions on shit that is not needed and gift to other countries. There’s the money right there for the treatment and building of the houses

 

[Contempt]

Habitat for humanity is one group that builds houses for homeless. There are others. And these can be the mini houses. For families, use an actual house. Where does the money come from? Seriously, we spend trillions on shit that is not needed and gift to other countries. There’s the money right there for the treatment and building of the houses

And what "shit" would that be exactly? and where would you be pulling funding from may I ask?

Cool so pull all foreign aide and just create starvation and suffering in other countries instead?

 

[nhbbear]

And what "shit" would that be exactly? and where would you be pulling funding from may I ask?

Cool so pull all foreign aide and just create starvation and suffering in other countries instead?

Instead we should have homelessness and starving in our own country? And there is so much pork to be cut out that we would have plenty of money

 

[AtomicPanther]

If it's a right then somebody has to provide it. If you believe it's a right then you believe that they have a right to other peoples labor and resources... gee that sounds a whole lot like a particular ideology.

No, you have a right to housing. You don't have the right to make someone else pay for it.

 

[Source]

No, you have a right to housing. You don't have the right to make someone else pay for it.

What human rights do you feel other people should be forced to pay for? Do you realize how expensive education would be if people weren’t forced to pay to educate other people’s children?

 

[ThaiSexPills]

The best social program is a strong economy and fair taxation (aka a lot less than it is now).

Most homeless people are mentally ill, drug addicts that cannot function in normal society - that is not the taxpayers fault.

 

[AtomicPanther]

What human rights do you feel other people should be forced to pay for? Do you realize how expensive education would be if people weren’t forced to pay to educate other people’s children?

K-12 should be free. Taxes should and do cover that. Again, there are jobs for people, they just choose to not take them.

 

[Source]

K-12 should be free. Taxes should and do cover that. Again, there are jobs for people, they just choose to not take them.

Why should it be free? Just because you benefit from it? Why should people be forced to pay for other people’s children to be educated?

 

[Post 2 Decision]

Why should it be free? Just because you benefit from it? Why should people be forced to pay for other people’s children to be educated?

For the greater good?

The Northern Europeans do it right

North America has way too many low IQ retards

 

[Source]

For the greater good?

The Northern Europeans do it right

North America has way too many low IQ retards

Based on your lack of understanding of the context of this thread you must be from North America.

 

[evansusmc2]

For the greater good?
The Northern Europeans do it right
North America has way too many low IQ retards

THINGS would be different in Northern Europe if had they the % per capita of drug addict/lazy/criminal/low lives that America had..... and it wouldn't but "right" anymore.

 

[Contempt]

No, you have a right to housing. You don't have the right to make someone else pay for it.

So where is this housing going to come from then? If you have a right to it then to only way to provide to them is to take from someone else.

Can the people advocating for this please at least attempt to explain this?

 

[Contempt]

Instead we should have homelessness and starving in our own country? And there is so much pork to be cut out that we would have plenty of money

Pork to be cut such as? What is is that you are advocating defunding exactly?

 

[AtomicPanther]

So where is this housing going to come from then? If you have a right to it then to only way to provide to them is to take from someone else.

Can the people advocating for this please at least attempt to explain this?

You must be one of WEPM's alts. Everyone has a right to pursue employment, food, shelter, etc. That doesn't mean it's their right to get everything free. They get a job, so they can pay for their housing, which in turn provides income for the owner or builder, so on and so on.

Being a right doesn't mean you should get it no matter what. We are capitalists after all.

 

[Contempt]

You must be one of WEPM's alts. Everyone has a right to pursue employment, food, shelter, etc. That doesn't mean it's their right to get everything free. They get a job, so they can pay for their housing, which in turn provides income for the owner or builder, so on and so on.

Being a right doesn't mean you should get it no matter what. We are capitalists after all.

I am no-ones alt.

If you have no guarantee of receiving it then it's not really a right now is it?

Everyone should have the equality of opportunity to work towards whatever goals they see fit. No-one should feel entitled to equality of outcome.

You may be a capitalist as am I but it's the people that aren't able or willing to work to be successful in such a competitive system that typically call for Marxist solutions to ensure they receive what they want by leeching off others.

This is why ideas such as "housing as a right" will never work because they can only exist by the government forcefully redistributing wealth from others. Eventually you run out of other people's money.

 

[nhbbear]

Pork to be cut such as? What is is that you are advocating defunding exactly?

just about every bill has pet projects that cost over 20 million or something crazy like that.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

I don't know what exactly the girl holding this sign is trying to say. That if you can't pay for housing, other people or the government are morally obligated to pay your rent?

How many libs in this forum actually believe this?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ounce-new-eviction-moratorium-after-criticism

I don't care whether housing or health care is considered a right or if we call them homeless or unhoused. Or if billionaires should exist or not.

I support sound policy that balances the public good and provides basic needs and services to the average citizen or below average citizen with individual rights and freedoms and a free market.

Homelessness has been eradicated in societies with less means than ours and in systems that are either capitalist or socialist or mixed. When neoliberals tell us we can't do it, that's total bullshit. It would be less expensive than what we're doing now, similar to health care. But many American conservatives and liberals have a stupid, selfish ideology where they moralize against helping their fellow Americans while lobbying for their own special interests.