Economy Trade War is Here - USA vs. China

LOL, right! And to use billions of tax dollars to compensate for farmers that are hurt, damage the business interests of American companies and continue inflict higher prices on American consumers due to government policy.

It's the stuff free market supporters dream of!

Isn't regulating commerce between the states and foreign entities one of the few reasons the federal government was formed? Agree with the trade war or not, in this regard America was never intended to be a totally free market.
 
The only effective way to contain China would had been with a coalition. Going at the alone is Trump biggest mistake. The government doesn’t have to worry about elections and therefore does not have to worry about where they stand in terms of public opinion
 
The only effective way to contain China would had been with a coalition. Going at the alone is Trump biggest mistake. The government doesn’t have to worry about elections and therefore does not have to worry about where they stand in terms of public opinion

That was Trumps biggest mistake. Constantly picking fights with everyone
 

Dude, Trump's great for the economy. Forget about the tax cuts, about his promises to get rid of the trade deficit, to bring manufacturing jobs back, the trade war, fucking over the farming industry with tariffs and having to subsidize them, and all of that. Black unemployment is way up (it doesn't matter that most of the jobs, like the job growth we've seen in the last few years generally, are in service jobs without fulltime hours or benefits, often times with a tipped minimum wage of 2.50 an hour)!!!

It doesn't matter that the presidency was in a FAAAAAAR better negotiating position when in coalition with other nations, thus putting broad pressure on China, no. Trump is the greatest dealmaker there ever has been (forget that he's failed in most all of his major negotiations as president, and failed so hard at his businesses that he's unable to receive a red cent in loans from any financial institution outside of Russia and Kazakhstan)!!!
 
(1) Dissidents are one thing. We are talking about millions and millions and millions of rural Chinese workers not having work. It keeps the leadership up at night.

(2) No markets are as big as the U.S. There is no replacing us.

The EU jumps to mind.
 
That was Trumps biggest mistake. Constantly picking fights with everyone
Never go full hitler and fight everyone.

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China can Esal. Businesses are already fleeing there. Good move.
 
The only effective way to contain China would had been with a coalition. Going at the alone is Trump biggest mistake. The government doesn’t have to worry about elections and therefore does not have to worry about where they stand in terms of public opinion

I don't agree with this idea that we have to treat China like some sort of super virus.

China doesn't needs to be contained. China needs to be recruited.
 
This is so dumb. You know when a (D) wins the White House things will go back to normal.


you are OK with China fucking us over with intellectual property? They've stolen so much technology from us and saved themselves trillions in research and development. They are cheating in every facet that you can think of, not to mention human rights violations and bullying every country in Asia. They are literally putting people in concentration camps. REAL concentration camps.
 
It appears to me that cutting off China would cripple the US economy and send a shockwave throughout every industry. But I also think there's a chance that it could be more beneficial in the long run. That short term will be catastrophic though. Every major retail chain will be limping, every major American franchise will be raising prices across the board. Not to mention mom and pops selling Chinese made products. Wal Mart and McD's aren't going to be the cheap options anymore.
 
you are OK with China fucking us over with intellectual property? They've stolen so much technology from us and saved themselves trillions in research and development. They are cheating in every facet that you can think of, not to mention human rights violations and bullying every country in Asia. They are literally putting people in concentration camps. REAL concentration camps.

None of this was a problem til trump.
 
None of this was a problem til trump.

What are you talking about? They've been stealing from us for 50 years and we just let them. They're also stealing from every other country in the world. Nobody put the issue up front until Trump did.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/23/business/china-tariffs-trade-war/index.html\

Beijing (CNN)The US-China trade war ratcheted up yet again on Friday, with Beijing unveiling a new round of retaliatory tariffs on about $75 billion worth of US goods.

China will place tariffs of 5% or 10% on US imports starting on September 1st, according to a statement posted by China's Finance Ministry.

The Ministry also announced plans to resume tariffs on US imports of automobiles and automobile parts. The tariffs would be 25% or 5%, and would take effect on December 15th. The new tariffs will target 5,078 products, including soybeans, coffee, whiskey, seafood and crude oil.


TRUMP RESPONDS VIA TWITTER:

Our Country has lost, stupidly, Trillions of Dollars with China over many years. They have stolen our Intellectual Property at a rate of Hundreds of Billions of Dollars a year, & they want to continue. I won’t let that happen! We don’t need China and, frankly, would be far....

....better off without them. The vast amounts of money made and stolen by China from the United States, year after year, for decades, will and must STOP. Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing..

....your companies HOME and making your products in the USA. I will be responding to China’s Tariffs this afternoon. This is a GREAT opportunity for the United States. Also, I am ordering all carriers, including Fed Ex, Amazon, UPS and the Post Office, to SEARCH FOR & REFUSE,....

....all deliveries of Fentanyl from China (or anywhere else!). Fentanyl kills 100,000 Americans a year. President Xi said this would stop - it didn’t. Our Economy, because of our gains in the last 2 1/2 years, is MUCH larger than that of China. We will keep it that way!

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He's actually right. We need to do this sooner than later, or China will replace the West and the U.S. as the World Power and those asshats are Authoritarian Communists. It is going to hurt for a while. Trump MUST share his plan, tell of the impact, and share of the goal and how we win it. He needs the confidence and backing of Americans if we are going to stop China's corrupt ascent.

They have been dealing dirty with the U.S.A. for decades. They are currency manipulators, slave labor masters, and trade abusers. This needs to happen and sooner than later is the right move. If we do this right, our kids will thank us all.

China's biggest problem is keeping the rural factory workers out of the cities. If these jobs collapse, China is in a world of hurt.

Do we support our nation, the West? If we do, we take the hit now. If we don't, we get to fall apart and Globalists and Chinese will take over.


I love how China is playing right into our hands by making this incremental.

How will we ever build factories over months time to replace the goods that are becoming too expensive to buy from China?
 
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This will take a toll on the world as a whole

But China will completely collapse and they will regret they just did not give in to the reasonable demands of the US

I actually hope you are right.

China's collapse would demand absolute withdrawal from the world, and total US isolationism.
 
It appears to me that cutting off China would cripple the US economy and send a shockwave throughout every industry. But I also think there's a chance that it could be more beneficial in the long run. That short term will be catastrophic though. Every major retail chain will be limping, every major American franchise will be raising prices across the board. Not to mention mom and pops selling Chinese made products. Wal Mart and McD's aren't going to be the cheap options anymore.

The real problem isn't purely economic.

We are pushing our rivals closer together and pushing our allies further away while crippling our own economy. China is going to form more robust and intricate diplomatic and trade relations with countries like Russia, Iran, India, Pakistan, etc and eventually not only will the jobs not come back the trade won't either.
 
Good thing we are well positioned to weather a recession because nobody instituted irresponsible, debt-exploding tax cuts for the mega rich eight years into an economic recovery...

.... Oh, wait....

Well, I for one, will consider my future Social Security a small price to pay for the Murdoch, Mercer’s, Walton, Koch’s, etc. tax cuts.

So long as we get to say we beat China!

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Iran has the fourth largest proven oil reserves in the world behind Canada and Russia is just a few place behind them.

Iran has 4x the oil reserves than the US and Russia has 2x.

Reserves are pointless if you cant get them out though.
 
The real problem isn't purely economic.

We are pushing our rivals closer together and pushing our allies further away while crippling our own economy. China is going to form more robust and intricate diplomatic and trade relations with countries like Russia, Iran, India, Pakistan, etc and eventually not only will the jobs not come back the trade won't either.

Good. We don't need them. Unlike the rest of the world, our economy is not built on global trade.
 
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