UFC 260: Stipe vs Ngannou 2

I wouldnt call reversing someone when they have you pushed up against the cage or landing 1 nice shot at the end of a fight you were being completely dominated in as "having your moments" To me having your moments means you came close to winning a couple of times.

Anyways I don't think I'm gonna bet this fight I've back and forth in my head all week about it, I was gonna bet Luque by decision but I duno Luque seems to just wanna stand and bang which could lead to him getting caught and Woodley has shown big power before. Against Colby and Burns they were mixing in a lot of clinch work and takedowns against Woodley and Usman just mauled him on the fence for 25 mins. Luque is a different kind of matchup for Woodley and maybe a more favorable one then his previous 3 opponents.
I didn't say they were big moments for Woodley he just landed more than I remembered. Actually that's part of why I faded Burns against Usman come to think of it. Woodley also turns 39 in like 1 week or so, father time is here.

Luque could still force clinch work out of Woodley. Tyron has never been a volume guy, he is in the worst shape of his life, and Luque has never been KOed. Guy has a head like a cement block, broke both of Wonderboys hands in their fight lmao.
 
I had the exact same reads on both of those fights makes me feel a lot better about those picks. What odds are you getting?
Francis rd 3 +1200
Francis rd 4 +2800

over 1.5 was -138, felt good about that.

Luque decision was +150
 
Stipe not only has 0 submission wins in his career, he has 0 submission attempts credited in the UFC

And the UFC gives sub attempt stats out like candy. Defend a takedown into a front headlock control? Guillotine attempt. Tie up someone's arm while you're in their guard? That's an americana attempt

Don't. Stipes' wrestling is all about control and perhaps opening for ground and pound.
He actually briefly went for a guiltine on Francis in the first, Joe calls it out. He quickly lets go though
 
Menifield -250
Cherant +210

@BigSteve what do you like about morales over young
Morales is the kind of fighter I love to bet. Tough, good IQ, turns it on when he needs to. He has a war with a much better fighter in Benetiez and won on output when it was 1-1 going into third.
Young is just very average and possibly not UFC lvl. Hittable and his competition level is trash. Fight with Arnett was way too close and could of been a close one if not for last minute drop
 
Morales is the kind of fighter I love to bet. Tough, good IQ, turns it on when he needs to. He has a war with a much better fighter in Benetiez and won on output when it was 1-1 going into third.
Young is just very average and possibly not UFC lvl. Hittable and his competition level is trash. Fight with Arnett was way too close and could of been a close one if not for last minute drop
What are you capping morales at?
 
Personally I like Omar at least to -250 -300. I rewatched that stun gun fight Omar nearly KOed him with a wheel kick in r3 and kept looking for a finish. Don't let Young's age and well name fool you the kid is shop worn. Don't think anyone ever told the guy he was allowed to block punches. His one ufc KO was just him eatting shot better than some no name fighter.

*Edit whoops different fighter
 
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Rewatching recent Almeida losses Ive noticed alot of the issues hes had are with good jabs. Font has one of the best ones in the sport. Jimmie is really good with his too, and doubling up body shots and building combos off it. Martinez for all his faults has a solid jab as well

Sean really doesnt have one. He dictates the distance alot with his footwork and range.

I might play this one live. If Sean doesnt KO Thomas early I like Almeidas chances here. I dont think Sean has a cohesive enough game to win long against him.
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If Almeida uses his brain, he'll attack the tree trunk early. If he keeps the fight on the outside, O'Malley will be able to use his height and reach (massive size difference between the two).
 
Personally I like Omar at least to -250 -300. I rewatched that stun gun fight Omar nearly KOed him with a wheel kick in r3 and kept looking for a finish. Don't let Young's age and well name fool you the kid is shop worn. Don't think anyone ever told the guy he was allowed to block punches. His one ufc KO was just him eatting shot better than some no name fighter.

Just in case you didn’t realize, that’s not Stun Gun that Omar fought. He has the same name (or at least used to), but it’s a different dude.
 
I'm fully expecting Stipe to look great at the weigh-ins tomorrow and the line to finally flip.

Absurd that Ngannou opened at -225. But Brunson opened as the favorite over Holland, and the initial line in that fight looked right.
 
Just catching up on UFC unfiltered, amongst all the bullshit there are some nuggets. Gillian Robertson said she woke up being sick a few days ago and couldn’t train. She sounded in decent spirits though
 
Just catching up on UFC unfiltered, amongst all the bullshit there are some nuggets. Gillian Robertson said she woke up being sick a few days ago and couldn’t train. She sounded in decent spirits though
Do we have an idea about when that actually was filmed? If she was/is sick then the fight could very well be off.. Cutting weight while sick sounds like a bad time. Fighting while sick?

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Around -200 give or take. Although im a lil cautious how bad he looked in his FW debut.
I didn't think it was a terrible look for Omar. I might be too high on Giga though. Still Omar gets his leg chewed up early r1 which slowed him down. Then he got dropped hard in r3 because he was pressuring reckless after being down two rounds. I like the fight for your money quality though. Omar still ended the fight on top trying to land shots even after taking alot of damage.

Worst case I know the guy can eat harder shots than Young is probably even capable of throwing. Maybe my read is off but I really think he stops Shane before the 3rd.
 
Anyone see anything specifically that Young does better here? Maybe higher volume and possibly better cardio but in every other area I think he is outmatched. I really can't see a path for him here. Outside channeling the power of Diaz and getting his face beat to hamburger trying to take 2 shots to land 3.
 
I'm fully expecting Stipe to look great at the weigh-ins tomorrow and the line to finally flip.

Absurd that Ngannou opened at -225. But Brunson opened as the favorite over Holland, and the initial line in that fight looked right.

That's the thing about the line with Francis. If he wins, he's gonna look like -800. If he loses, it could very well look like a carbon copy of the first fight.
 
Anyone see anything specifically that Young does better here? Maybe higher volume and possibly better cardio but in every other area I think he is outmatched. I really can't see a path for him here. Outside channeling the power of Diaz and getting his face beat to hamburger trying to take 2 shots to land 3.
Maybe higher volume? His volume is double morales

I’m really not seeing a lot of value where the line is.

if morales doesn’t ko him the fight could be close. Young also has better cardio at 145
 
Maybe higher volume? His volume is double morales

I’m really not seeing a lot of value where the line is.

if morales doesn’t ko him the fight could be close. Young also has better cardio at 145
I say maybe higher volume because like Diaz I don't think he lands nearly as much if he isn't walking forward using his chin as a sponge to soak damage. If he was more defensively sound with his volume I would be worried. He isn't somebody who fights off the backfoot or just picks his shots at range like Giga though.

Maybe I will feel foolish come Saturday but this really is my favorite spot on the card right now. If Young can't walk forward and push his opponent back he is a sitting duck. The people Young is able to pressure and the people Morales has had trouble hitting are in a completely different realm of mma skill. Omar's accuracy is lacking but it isn't for a lack of volume, he attempted 200+ significant strikes against Benitez. Personally I think that volume and accuracy stat is about to get alot higher here.
 
SPORTSLINE PICS - really goes out on a limb here picking all favorites (aside from Stipe I guess)
Suggests parlaying them all for 15:1 payout (LOL)


Francis Ngannou (-125) vs. Stipe Miocic (+105): Miocic

Stipe Miocic, arguably the most prolific heavyweight in UFC history, puts his title on the line against the scariest man in the division in Francis Ngannou. Ngannou is on a four-fight win streak, with all of his victories coming by first-round stoppage. In his last fight, we saw Ngannou rush forward with aggressive, powerful strikes that put Jairzinho Rozenstruik to sleep in 20 seconds in the first round. Against a fighter like Rozenstruik who isn't known for his wrestling that strategy may work, but against a well-rounded champion like Miocic, I don't see that being a smart move. Miocic is a great boxer who just so happens to have exceptional wrestling. In their first fight, we saw the champ weather an early storm from Ngannou. Once he recovered, he wrestled and grinded out a decision victory. Miocic will use his crisp boxing to set up takedowns and eventually get the fight to the floor. Ngannou will be so concerned with the takedowns that we may see him hesitate with his striking. Can the challenger land a knockout punch in round one? Absolutely. However, Miocic is a smart fighter who knows the clear path to victory. He will stay at range, use leg kicks to take away the power of Ngannou and then eventually work his takedowns and put Ngannou on his back. Look for the champ's wrestling to again be key in winning this rematch. Also, I have strong lean to the Over 1.5 rounds (-135 at William Hill).

Vicente Luque (-260) vs. Tyron Woodley (+220): Luque

Tyron Woodley is looking to get back in the win column after dropping his last three fights. We have seen the former champion decline drastically since losing the belt to Kamaru Usman. Once a dominant force in the division, we have seen Woodley get dominated by Gilbert Burns and finished via TKO by Colby Covington. On Saturday, he takes on the well-rounded Vincente Luque. In order for Woodley to win, he is going to have to utilize his wrestling or land that powerful overhand right that has knocked out many opponents. For Luque, this is the big-name fight he has been looking to get for a long time. After losing a unanimous decision to Stephen Thompson, Luque has bounced back with a win over Niko Price and a stoppage win over Randy Brown. Luque is an excellent striker with an elite ground game. As long as he can avoid that overhand right from Woodley and keep the fight standing, this is Luque's fight to win. I think his volume striking and leg kicks will take away Woodley's power, and Luque can punch his way to victory.

Sean O'Malley (-300) vs. Thomas Almeida (+250): O'Malley

Thomas Almeida has lost his last three fights and, unfortunately, his challenge on Saturday night will not get any easier. Once considered a big time prospect, Almeida has failed to get back in the win column dating back to 2016. Almeida is the type of striker who will eat a few punches in order to deliver a power one. Sean O'Malley will gladly oblige. He was undefeated until his last fight against Chito Vera, where he felt victim to the calf kick. O'Malley will be looking to bounce back in a big way against Almeida. He will be the better and more creative striker who is very difficult to hit. For that reason, I believe he will be the winner. O'Malley will utlize his kicks to keep Almeida at range, eventually leading to that knockout blow.

Khama Worthy (-135) vs. Jamie Mullarkey (+115): Worthy

This fight has fireworks written all over it. Two fighters who love to strike and are always looking to finish, Jamie Mullarkey and Khama Worthy will be looking to bounce back from their last fights and get back in the win column. I see this fight stylistically in favor of Worthy. As we saw in his fight against Luis Pena, Worthy showed us that he is not just a striker, but that he can take the fight anywhere as he got a submission victory in Round 3. Worthy carries a ton of power along with being a technical striker. At 34, he will be the more experienced fighter with more tools to get the win.

Miranda Maverick (-165) vs. Gillian Robertson (+145): Maverick

Gillian Robertson is a seasoned veteran who will be entering the cage on the last fight on her UFC contract. She will be looking to show the promotion's brass that she belongs in the UFC as she tries to derail the hype train formally known as Miranda Maverick. Although young, Maverick has shown a high-level fight IQ in her first UFC outing, with a win via doctor's stoppage. Maverick has a tough task in Robertson in her second fight in the octagon. If the fight stays on the feet, this will be not only Maverick's fight to win, but to shine. I believe her takedown defense and athletic ability will help her dictate where she wants the fight to go. Expect Maverick to use her striking and vicious elbows to carry her to victory.

Abubakar Nurmagomedov (-220) vs. Jared Gooden (+190): Nurmagomedov

In a classic striker versus grappler matchup, we have both fighters coming off losses as they enter the cage. In his first UFC fight, we saw Abubakar Nurmagomedov out-strike his opponent and take him down with ease. Unfortunately, he made one mistake and paid for it by losing via triangle choke. I don't see the same mistake happening again, as Jared Gooden is not a submission specialist like Nurmagomedov's last opponent. Gooden is a good striker with a solid chin, but leaves himself open to get taken down. Expect Nurmagomedov to use his striking early to set up the takedown and go to work from there.
 
I say maybe higher volume because like Diaz I don't think he lands nearly as much if he isn't walking forward using his chin as a sponge to soak damage. If he was more defensively sound with his volume I would be worried. He isn't somebody who fights off the backfoot or just picks his shots at range like Giga though.

Maybe I will feel foolish come Saturday but this really is my favorite spot on the card right now. If Young can't walk forward and push his opponent back he is a sitting duck. The people Young is able to pressure and the people Morales has had trouble hitting are in a completely different realm of mma skill. Omar's accuracy is lacking but it isn't for a lack of volume, he attempted 200+ significant strikes against Benitez. Personally I think that volume and accuracy stat is about to get alot higher here.

Just playing devil's advocate, but I thought Morales looked significantly worse at 145 compared to his fights at 155, including output and cardio.
 
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