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Well, to talk about evolution, even in fighting, it takes many years for something to evolve into something else. Scary thing is, I think exactly the same way as Randy.
Shizzy said:No they fucking dont.
Ali Baba said:. Strikers have learned to defend a wrestler's shoots and the days of wrestlers dominating such Coleman, Kerr, Couture, and Ortiz are over. I think what we will see in the future is a shift towards judo-style takedowns in MMA since those are much harder to defend than single and double legs. In that sense, Karo Parisyan might just be 4-5 years ahead of his time.
I dont think this is very well thought out post.A lot of wrestlers such as Hammerhouse and Lindland are resentful of BJJ and Randy might be one of them. Quite surprising coming from Randy after two of his boys just got submitted by a Gracie Barra fighter and he himself stalled Jacare to a draw. The funny thing is, its wrestling not submissions that's disappearing from MMA. Strikers have learned to defend a wrestler's shoots and the days of wrestlers dominating such Coleman, Kerr, Couture, and Ortiz are over. I think what we will see in the future is a shift towards judo-style takedowns in MMA since those are much harder to defend than single and double legs. In that sense, Karo Parisyan might just be 4-5 years ahead of his time.
Superbeast said:I think grappling will evolve as fighters evolve. See Aoki vs Hansen.
knoxpk said:I dont think this is very well thought out post.
!st off the ppl who have the best takedowns in the game ARE wrestlers and judoka. By comparison a "sub grappler" or BJJ'r has very weak takedowns.
Now if you cannot get taken down by a wrestler how can a sub grappler hope to?
I respect your opinion but IF Henderson cannot take you down to GnP you how is Lister going to take you down to sub you?
Just a thought.
Also you mentioned that defending the dbl and single is the easiest thing to do BUT you fail to consider that collegiate wrestlers have been practicing TD's and TD defense for YEARS and at the HIGHEST level yet every college dual meet one wrestler IS taking another wrestler down without the threat of kicks or punches. If it were that simple to defend then all wrestling matches would be draws and the sport would have died long ago!
My problem with you using the recent shift away from submissions (mostly in the UFC) is this: You're got a big honking third variable lurking in some really dark waters. The current typical UFC fan does not care much for the ground game. This situation has improved vastly in the last year, but it's still bad enough to the point where we're seeing new MMA rulesets that are basically San Shou matches with 4 ounce gloves and maybe an occasional flying submission. What we're seeing is Ultimate Boxing. Fighters are trying to "give the fans a show" by standing around and slugging it out instead of playing to their strengths, even if their strengths happen to be a boring, methodical ground game.Darkslide632 said:I don't think it will disappear completely, but we're already seeing a shift.
I have been grappling for over 10 years now and the reality is that it is easier to see and defend against submissions that it is to defend against strikes. So saying that everyone knows how to box (Which in itself is a bullshit statement) but that we still see KO's and that it will be the same for submission is an ignorant statement.
As I have said, we're already seeing a shift away from submissions in MMA right now, I think the trend will continue. Not to say submissions will never happen, but I think it will become more and more rare. You don't even have to be well versed on the ground to keep a submission from happening, you just need to be able to stop people from taking you to the ground. Which is one of the reasons that it is easier to defend against subs in my opinion. There are just too many things that can go wrong with them. That's not really the case with strikes. Basically the only requirement is that you be in range... so unless you plan on running away all night...