War Room Lounge V129: Ignored Content Edition

[Lead]

For the love of God, just vote for him and tell everyone you voted third party if it’s so hard.

 

[HereticBD]

but you're not messing around.

Okay. Ya got me. I hope I send people into a deep, dark depression over commenting on their likes.

Get a grip.

 

[weed]

Anung's gif game has been pretty strong as of late

 

[weed]

Okay. Ya got me. I hope I send people into a deep, dark depression over commenting on their likes.

Get a grip.

do you know what hypocrisy means?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

For the love of God, just vote for him and tell everyone you voted third party if it’s so hard.

It’s not for street cred, that’s what teh 265 is for.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

It’s not for street cred, that’s what teh 265 is for.

Rama just know that the democrats would never dissolve a pandemic response agency for tax cuts for the rich and to spite the former president.

Dems aren’t perfect but there are certain things you’ll never get with them. Healthcare vouchers for seniors, dissolving agencies out of spite, crushing healthcare for the country.


Who to vote for is a no brainer. Do I love Biden, hell no I don’t. I’m sick of old out of touch Grey hair men holding the office of President but Trump needs to go.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Because that's all you do. Outside of the Lounge, you're just cheer leading gif man for the most part.

Brb making fun of someone for not having many likes, then also accusing someone of fishing for them lol

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

"When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak." -Donald Trump, Playboy Magazine, 1990




this is the dictator we have in the White House. Don’t be surprised when trump and the GOP try to cancel elections in Nov.

 

[HereticBD]

do you know what hypocrisy means?

Sure, but I also know what reality is. The reality is that we're just a bunch of random assholes chirping at each other on a forum that means nothing.

Nice like count, though. Very jealous. Might kill myself.

 

[weed]

Sure, but I also know what reality is. The reality is that we're just a bunch of random assholes chirping at each other on a forum that means nothing.

Nice like count, though. Very jealous. Might kill myself.

cool.

just so we're clear - we're in agreement that you, as a Canadian, the 'third party' are trying to be a crusader for the "deprived" by spending year after year, minute after minute, post after post in getting yourself "involved" with American politics, respectively when none of it involves or concerns you.

I mean, with you being a Canadian & all - clearly, you give a shit.

 

[Joe]

Just a humble man holding his beloved bible

 

[HereticBD]

cool.

just so we're clear - we're in agreement that you, as a Canadian, the 'third party' are trying to be a crusader for the "deprived" by spending year after year, minute after minute, post after post in getting yourself "involved" with American politics, respectively when none of it involves or concerns you.

I mean, with you being a Canadian & all - clearly, you give a shit.

Do I give a shit about the American Leadership? Like most Canadians, yes. That's fair...and totally not comparable at all, to caring about someone chirping another person about their likes on a message board...

 

[weed]

Do I give a shit about the American Leadership? Like most Canadians, yes. That's fair...and totally not comparable at all, to caring about someone chirping another person about their likes on a message board...

you're being dishonest. you make sport of our politics, & shit on real Americans every day. for years.

do you know what TDS means?

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

You're saying that voting is the best way to make changes, I'm disagreeing and showing that historically voting hasn't been the engine of social change. In fact if you look at the LGBTQ movement riots were actually more effective. Their single biggest win, gay marriage, wasn't achieved through a vote but rather through unelected judges. The CRA wasn't achieved through voting either, it was through a massive protest movement and a national discourse that put pressure on Congress.

Voting is probably one of the least significant things you can do to have an impact on politics but since its the easiest we like to pretend its very consequential when in reality its not. I am not against voting, its important too. But it needs to be the last part of a political program for change with protests and petitions and publicity stunts and yes, sometimes riots too. All those things can have an impact on the public discourse and help you establish the moral high ground for your position and once that happens you'll start to see candidates trying to appear on ballots representing your position. But just looking for the right name to bubble in next to is never gonna work.

Well I’ve pretty clearly not said that just looking for the right name to bubble in is the way to go, so I’m kind of exhausted with you at this point.

I also think you’re still greatly underestimating the grassroots nature and effectiveness of local politics in making political change on a wider scale.

Now let’s use your example of gay marriage. Did you think the activist judges just up and decided to force states to legalize gay marriage out of nowhere? Of course not. Long before the feds caught on there were pockets of local grassroots political movements and states that legalized gay marriage. Local officials in San Francisco and in counties in New Mexico, New Jersey and Oregon were issuing marriage licenses to gay couples a decade before the US Supreme Court decision in US v. Windsor. Without these locally elected activists bringing their cases to court and raising awareness you don’t get to where it becomes a national issue. Look at any revolution in the US from abolition to the civil rights era to lgb rights and you will see local grassroots political movements (elected officials) pushing the envelope to broaden the discussion and bring cases before the courts and before the eyes of the nation.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well I’ve pretty clearly not said that just looking for the right name to bubble in is the way to go, so I’m kind of exhausted with you at this point.

I also think you’re still greatly underestimating the grassroots nature and effectiveness of local politics in making political change on a wider scale.

Now let’s use your example of gay marriage. Did you think the activist judges just up and decided to force states to legalize gay marriage out of nowhere? Of course not. Long before the feds caught on there were pockets of local grassroots political movements and states that legalized gay marriage. Local officials in San Francisco and in counties in New Mexico, New Jersey and Oregon were issuing marriage licenses to gay couples a decade before the US Supreme Court decision in US v. Windsor. Without these locally elected activists bringing their cases to court and raising awareness you don’t get to where it becomes a national issue. Look at any revolution in the US from abolition to the civil rights era to lgb rights and you will see local grassroots political movements (elected officials) pushing the envelope to broaden the discussion and bring cases before the courts and before the eyes of the nation.

You're original claim was that voting was the most effective way to achieve change and I said that wasn't true, hence my point about the right name to bubble. I never said local grassroots political movements can't be effective but voting is only a small part of their work, they're working in between elections as well. And opposition politics like protests are a big part of their work; protesting anti-gay laws or organizing PRIDE marches and so on. These had a bigger effect on the public consciousness which would ultimately lead the to gay marriage court decision.

In fact on the subject of voting remember that in California Prop 8, the anti-gay marriage proposal, actually passed democratically and was struck down by the courts. So as I said earlier if you actually put civil rights issues to a vote they tend to fail. Voting on its own without any other kind of civic engagement has limits. And on the other hand riots can have value as well as evidenced by the Stonewall riots.

 

[Fawlty]

Maybe the least fair thing about these riots coming to STL is that my favorite local disc golf courses are all in rough neighborhoods. My privilege is being besmirched hard right now.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

You're original claim was that voting was the most effective way to achieve change and I said that wasn't true, hence my point about the right name to bubble. I never said local grassroots political movements can't be effective but voting is only a small part of their work, they're working in between elections as well. And opposition politics like protests are a big part of their work; protesting anti-gay laws or organizing PRIDE marches and so on. These had a bigger effect on the public consciousness which would ultimately lead the to gay marriage court decision.

In fact on the subject of voting remember that in California Prop 8, the anti-gay marriage proposal, actually passed democratically and was struck down by the courts. So as I said earlier if you actually put civil rights issues to a vote they tend to fail. Voting on its own without any other kind of civic engagement has limits. And on the other hand riots can have value as well as evidenced by the Stonewall riots.

I think I replied to you about ten times since my first post clarifying my position on voting in local elections so idk why you boil it down to one sentence every time. I pretty clearly did not advocate for voting without any other civic engagement in fact I specifically mentioned putting forth activist candidates who would prioritize your causes. Places have seen big changes with activist prosecutors being elected.

What normal people are afraid of, politicians and police included, is losing their livelihood or freedom. Riots can show where the mood is but if the responsible parties don’t get voted out it’s not going to change anything. If the prosecutor in Georgia who covered up the Arbery killing gets re-elected what good were the riots? What will change? If Trump wins the presidency again do you think he’ll be motivated to increase federal oversight of local police forces? He won’t give a shit. It will be seen as approval of his “you loot, we shoot” philosophies.

So yeah, voting does also matter.

 

[Prokofievian]

Lol what the fuck happened in this game @Sketch @Jack V Savage

 

[Sketch]

@HereticBD looking weaker than ever.

 

[Sketch]

Lol what the fuck happened in this game @Sketch @Jack V Savage

I'll speak on it afterwards.