Does anyone else consider the one fc muay thai champions the best for mma

Honestly many thais don’t have the best boxing but when you try to get past their kicking range their defense is enough to clinch you or kick while you are punching. The reason they don’t fight like boxers is because they are fighting Muay Thai not boxing.

Even the guy Gabriel varga in his videos said when he went to Thailand he was head and shoulders better at boxing even as an up and coming pro. Although he is a 6x world champion

He doesn’t explicitly say it and he wasn’t talking about his experience of fighting/sparring these guys at the highest level, but it’s still implied thais are just not the best pure boxers outside some of the very best

That's the experience I had. I couldn't even hit these former champs with one kick and they could fling me on the ground anytime they wanted with a sweep but I was surprised that I could actually land some punches on them.
 
Honestly many thais don’t have the best boxing but when you try to get past their kicking range their defense is enough to clinch you or kick while you are punching. The reason they don’t fight like boxers is because they are fighting Muay Thai not boxing.

Even the guy Gabriel varga in his videos said when he went to Thailand he was head and shoulders better at boxing even as an up and coming pro. Although he is a 6x world champion

He doesn’t explicitly say it and he wasn’t talking about his experience of fighting/sparring these guys at the highest level, but it’s still implied thais are just not the best pure boxers outside some of the very best


I watch all Varga's vids and he said Fairtex was mainly casual training but the boxing sparring was actually intense and they were trying to take his head off with every punch
 
I watch all Varga's vids and he said Fairtex was mainly casual training but the boxing sparring was actually intense and they were trying to take his head off with every punch
Yeah, and he still held back
 
Yeah, and he still held back
Not sure if this is a knock on the Thais but if it is, don't forget Varga also said he got dominated in the clinch by the guy who got dominated in the clinch by Buakaw when he was at Por Pramuk Gym. Beating muay thai fighters at Western boxing means nothing.
 
Not sure if this is a knock on the Thais but if it is, don't forget Varga also said he got dominated in the clinch by the guy who got dominated in the clinch by Buakaw when he was at Por Pramuk Gym. Beating muay thai fighters at Western boxing means nothing.
Why would it be a knock on the thais. Read the last couple posts and its purely about their boxing ability. Its about facts. The fact that he said the Thai's spar very hard in boxing and he still had to hold back is proving my point.
Who said anything about the clinch
 
Why would it be a knock on the thais. Read the last couple posts and its purely about their boxing ability. Its about facts. The fact that he said the Thai's spar very hard in boxing and he still had to hold back is proving my point.
Who said anything about the clinch

He also said he didn't spar Yod just some local guys and they brought in a few nak muay and he only went there a few days. Even elite kickboxers like Giorgio Petrosyan say all Thai's have good boxing
 
It's true, a lot of Muay Thai fighters are lacking in traditional boxing skills. The ones you've mentioned are good boxers. I can't remember the name but there was a Muay Thai champion who also won world boxing titles. Those are the best of the best though and they're anomalies. I remember from training in Thailand the trainers (former champs) were amazing at Muay Thai, it was almost impossible to hit them and they could easily sweep or kick you anytime but their boxing was the weakest part of their game. A Muay Thai fighter can still be very successful without great boxing skills.
Look up "the shadow of the devil"
 
Beating muay thai fighters at Western boxing means nothing.

Exactly. And evaluating a Nak Muay on their Western boxing and particularly head movement and footwork is meaningless. Of course it looks different. A boxer slipping and swaying out of a jab cross is going to get their liver pulped by the follow up mid switch kick. Saying that Thais are training incorrectly because you don’t understand what you’re seeing is naive and arrogant.
 
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Wow. Please fuck off with your stupidity. And watch samart.
lol Dont' say something you wouldn't say face to face.. bitch

What he has to do with fighters of today? dont answer idiot

Im right, all of u are bias towards Muay Thai, has a lot to improve
 
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lol Dont' say something you wouldn't say face to face.. bitch

What he has to do with fighters of today? dont answer idiot

Im right, all of u are bias towards Muay Thai, has a lot to improve
Your a fucking clown and I would say it to your face. How long ya been training killa.
 
lol Dont' say something you wouldn't say face to face.. bitch

What he has to do with fighters of today? dont answer idiot

Im right, all of u are bias towards Muay Thai, has a lot to improve

LOL you literally just told a former professional MMA fighter that he wouldn't say something face to face hahahahaha.

But in all seriousness you were way off the mark with your comments. I suggest you travel to Thailand train at some of the gyms outside of the tourist areas and tell me how they "train incorrectly"

Tell me again how bad their headmovement and evasion is?
 
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lol Dont' say something you wouldn't say face to face.. bitch

What he has to do with fighters of today? dont answer idiot

Im right, all of u are bias towards Muay Thai, has a lot to improve

You should go to Thailand and help the Thais figure it out. Or go fight in a Thai rules bout and show us how to do it right.
 


I trained under the guy in the blue corner and his brother for 5 years when they were signed to my gym in Australia. They were fantastic boxers, the reason people think Thai fighters are shit at boxing is because so many of them come to western countries, take professional boxing fights and really don't care if they win or lose, they're there to make $1,000.00 - $5,000.00 for 20 minutes of work with 70% less damage that they would usually take.
So many people in this forum honestly have zero fucking idea about combat sports around the world and believe they know everything because they go and do pads with a certified fitness instructor three times a week. No wonder the standup forum progressed into just being a meme pool.
I'd honestly prefer Spacetime who was an admitted troll over pretenders who act like they know everything about training in Thailand without ever going there and training outside of tourist gyms (which surprise surprise are not good gyms to learn Muay Thai from, they are there to take money from another dumb fuck Westerner coming through) or the dickheads who act like they know all about fighting without ever having trained properly or even had a single fight.
 
So who? Because Thais and Japanese dominate the lower weight classes in boxing so how is it bad? As previously mentioned punches aren't scored high in pure muay thai rules so they don't use them as much but the top Thais definitely have good boxing. What gyms did you train at? Even top muay thai gyms these days work boxing. Petyindee academy has it's own boxing program for instance. Samart, Somrak, Anuwat were boxing WBC champs.

Can you prove that japanese and thais dominate in lower weightclasses in boxing?

I checked aiba(ammy boxing world championship) results last year ,zero thais or japanese in top 10.

I also checked champs in wbo ibf ,wba amd wbc

Got 2 japanese

But like i said earlier

Lots of central asians (especially in ammy)
 
There are some biased posts here. First of all, the boxing level among top Thais really depends on the fighter. It's not accurate to say that they all have poor or excellent boxing skills.

I would not consider Yodkitsada to have good boxing for example and he is top-level in the stadiums. There are quite a significant number of fighters with a similar style.

However, when people say thais in general have poor hands, just because one fighter has poor hands, it's also quite ignorant because there are many thais with good hands. In fact, there are not many kickboxers who clearly outperform, or never was outboxed by Thais in the hands department. Out of the current generation, I can only think of Wei Rui and Takeru.

Petrosyan was outboxed by Petchmorakot once, Marat Grigorian by Sittichai a couple of times, Qiu Jian Liang if i recall correctly was outboxed by Jomthong at some point (which he later avenged). Tenshin was quite competitive against Rodtang (I thought Tenshin did better, but some people disagree).


I am a bit critical towards Gabriel Varga's video. First, he sparred lower level guys as he said. Of course lower level guys will be lower level with any weapon, in general. His video gives the impression that Thais have poor hands, when he would probably have been outboxed if he had fought Petchpanomrung or Kaew.
 
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Can you prove that japanese and thais dominate in lower weightclasses in boxing?

I checked aiba(ammy boxing world championship) results last year ,zero thais or japanese in top 10.

I also checked champs in wbo ibf ,wba amd wbc

Got 2 japanese

But like i said earlier

Lots of central asians (especially in ammy)

You'll have a hard time not finding 2 thais or japs in the top 5 for each of these divisions.


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lol Dont' say something you wouldn't say face to face.. bitch

What he has to do with fighters of today? dont answer idiot

Im right, all of u are bias towards Muay Thai, has a lot to improve

It's not a matter of bias, it's just proven. The Thai's actually are the best, they dominate every combat sport they have significant numbers in. You just don't know the sport very well, you may as well be saying that Germans aren't good at football.
 
I agree. Generally speaking Muay Thai fighters aren't refined boxers, even the Muay Matt types who rely heavily on their hands.
I heard the golden age Thai fighters were more skilled in boxing and in Muay Thai in all aspects. Do you think that idea holds any truth?
 
LOL you literally just told a former professional MMA fighter that he wouldn't say something face to face hahahahaha.

But in all seriousness you were way off the mark with your comments. I suggest you travel to Thailand train at some of the gyms outside of the tourist areas and tell me how they "train incorrectly"

Tell me again how bad their headmovement and evasion is?

lol Who he is? he has mental problems

They r punched but fighters of their own style. I said "most" anyways
 
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