Mighty mouse thinks Anthony Joshua beats Francis ngannou in mma

From what I read, Cryil Gane didn’t start training for Muay Thai until he was 25 and it was his first foray into combat sports.

He’s not a lifer at this.

Making this some type of unimaginable hill for Joshua to climb is laughable.
Gane only competed in Muay Thai for like 4 or 5 years. He had very few fights. Joshua's been boxing and competing in the sport for 16 years. He's won everything that there is to win in the amateurs & pros at the highest level. Yeah, there's no comparison to be made between the two.
 
Gane only competed in Muay Thai for like 4 or 5 years. He had very few fights. Joshua's been boxing and competing in the sport for 16 years. He's won everything that there is to win in the amateurs & pros at the highest level. Yeah, there's no comparison to be made between the two.

Exactly.
 
For Aspinall he'll need to get him down immediately. Otherwise he risks getting chin checked very quickly. Did you watch the Mighty Mouse video in the OP? He thinks Joshua could walk right in and beat Ngannou. While Aspinall is much more well rounded, that's the type of threat AJ is already. If given enough time to train MMA Joshua could likely beat him. He's the better athlete which also helps.l

Yes, because Ngannou is a boxing heavy striker in MMA. It's a good stylistic match up for him. There is a good chance Ngannou could get KTFO if he isn't careful. I thinks it more about the mind behind the fighter. If Ngannou has the right coach. They could easily make the right game plan and camp to take out Joshua, IMO. But if you go with Ngannou's normal routine of search and destroy, he might very well get KTFO. Aspinall is a completely different fighter though. He is a much more cerebral fighter than Ngannou. And he is indeed more well rounded. Not just more wel rounded. He is easily one of the most well rounded HWs ever, IMO. That's not something to gloss over. The skill gap between Joshua and Aspinall in all faucets of MMA that aren't boxing isn't even a normal gap anymore, it's a super massive black hole. That skill difference Joshua isn't going to close at 34 years of age.

And that's not to say that Joshau couldn't become a great MMA fighter. HW does suck overall if you compare it to other divisions. So Joshua could definitely mop the floor with a whole lot of fat one/two dimensional HWs. Aspinall is a completely different beast from the vast majority of HWs though.
 
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Yes, because Ngannou is a boxing heavy striker in MMA. It's a good stylistic match up for him. There is a good chance Ngannou could get KTFO if he isn't careful. I thinks it more about the mind behind the fighter. If Ngannou has the right coach. They could easily make the right game plan and camp to take out Joshua, IMO. But if you go with Ngannou's normal routine of search and destroy, he might very well get KTFO. Aspinall is a completely different fighter though. He is a much more cerebral fighter than Ngannou. And he is indeed more well rounded. Not just more wel rounded. He is easily one of the most well rounded HWs ever, IMO. That's not something to gloss over. The skill gap between Joshua and Aspinall in all facets of MMA that aren't boxing isn't even a normal gap anymore, it's a super massive black hole. That skill difference Joshua isn't going to close at 34 years of age.

And that's not to say that Joshau couldn't become a great MMA fighter. HW does suck overall if you compare it to other divisions. So Joshua could definitely mop the floor with a whole lot of fat one/two dimensional HWs. Aspinall is a completely different beast from the vast majority of HWs though.
I agree that Joshua wouldn't be able to just close the wide gap on Aspinall's complete skillset. However, he'd be so dangerous that he may not even have to. Look at Aldo vs McGregor. Aldo was one of the most well-rounded MMA fighters you'll ever see and McGregor blasted him out in 13 seconds. If Aspinall shoots on him early Joshua would have to defend the takedown. Things would get interesting if he's able to stuff the initial attempt. Joshua managing to put up enough resistance to stay on his feet would be a scary thing for Aspinall.
 
I agree that Joshua wouldn't be able to just close the wide gap on Aspinall's complete skillset. However, he'd be so dangerous that he may not even have to. Look at Aldo vs McGregor. Aldo was one of the most well-rounded MMA fighters you'll ever see and McGregor blasted him out in 13 seconds. If Aspinall shoots on him early Joshua would have to defend the takedown. Things would get interesting if he's able to stuff the initial attempt. Joshua managing to put up enough resistance to stay on his feet would be a scary thing for Aspinall.

Conor is a MMA fighter, who was housing a whole slew of low-income Irish families rent free in Aldo's head. He was not only completely comfortable in the realm of MMA, especially at that point of time in his career and the streak he was on, but he was also completely comfortable because he knew how much he had gotten to Aldo. Go watch Conor enter the octagon for that fight. Have you ever seen another fighter so happy and relaxed in taking every second to soak up the moment, as Conor did then? Well, for Joshua it will be the complete opposite. He will be an athlete from the most limited professional combat sport going into the most multi-dimensional of pro combat sports and against one of the most well rounded guys he could ever face. He will be so not in his comfort zone, it's hilarious. I understand he looked like a superhero against Ngannou but that was in his domain, in boxing, against a guy who is a noob. Special things can happen when you feel completely comfortable. Joshua will never feel anywhere near comfortable going up against Aspinall. He just isn't. He is a professional athlete. He knows how many hours he has spend to develop all his skills and he knows Aspinall has spend similar hours honing all kinds of weapons that Joshua himself has completely neglected for most of his life. That's not a comforting thought. The threat of the take down from Aspinall would be an immensely big factor. So much that Joshua will probaly bite on any feint Aspinall would throw out there.

And even if he would have warming up fights, they would in no way compare with Aspinall. So it would not serve that much as a good prep for what Aspinall brings. Though obviously it would still be better than no warm up fights.
 
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The entire premise of the post was that he was a limited fighter because he was stupid. I used his interviews as evidence. Africans aren’t particularly known for their intelligence.

Once again english is not is first langage and he learned it less than 10 years ago. Plus he doesn't sound more limited than the average fighter but you are racially biased so your point of view isn't very surprising.
 
Conor is a MMA fighter, who was housing a whole slew of low-income Irish families rent free in Aldo's head. He was not only completely comfortable in the realm of MMA, especially at that point of time in his career and the streak he was on, but he was also completely comfortable because he knew how much he had gotten to Aldo. Go watch Conor enter the octagon for that fight. Have you ever seen another fighter so happy and relaxed in taking every second to soak up the moment, as Conor did then? Well, for Joshua it will be the complete opposite. He will be an athlete from the most limited professional combat sport going into the most multi-dimensional of pro combat sports and against one of the most well rounded guys he could ever face. He will be so not in his comfort zone, it's hilarious. I understand he looked like a superhero against Ngannou but that was in his domain, in boxing, against a guy who is a noob. Special things can happen when you feel completely comfortable. Joshua will never feel anywhere near comfortable going up against Aspinall. He just isn't. He is a professional athlete. He knows how many hours he has spend to develop all his skills and he knows Aspinall has spend similar hours honing all kinds of weapons that Joshua himself has completely neglected for most of his life. That's not a comforting thought. The threat of the take down from Aspinall would be an immensely big factor. So much that Joshua will probaly bite on any feint Aspinall would throw out there.

And even if he would have warming up fights, they would in no way compare with Aspinall. So it would not serve that much as a good prep for what Aspinall brings. Though obviously it would still be better than no warm up fights.
I think at first AJ would have the "UFC jitters" which is natural but it isn't guaranteed to affect his performance. He's a world class athlete that has fought in front of 100k crowds at stadiums like Wembley. Not in arenas which only have a fraction of the capacity.

It's all speculation though. Unless he's made an enormous offer he won't even consider doing a one-off in the UFC. Much less embark on an MMA career. The most money is in boxing. That's why so many MMA fighters are now crossing over. Look at Francis. In just a couple fights he's made exponentially more than he ever did in his entire MMA career.
 
If Joshua trained TDD for like a year he would put it on Francis. Also if it was 5 rounds he would for sure catch Francis and KO him. Francis won't finish him on the ground
 
I think at first AJ would have the "UFC jitters" which is natural but it isn't guaranteed to affect his performance. He's a world class athlete that has fought in front of 100k crowds at stadiums like Wembley. Not in arenas which only have a fraction of the capacity.

It's all speculation though. Unless he's made an enormous offer he won't even consider doing a one-off in the UFC. Much less embark on an MMA career. The most money is in boxing. That's why so many MMA fighters are now crossing over. Look at Francis. In just a couple fights he's made exponentially more than he ever did in his entire MMA career.

Bud, I'm not talking about UFC jitters. It's not about the crowd. It's about performing in a sport he never fought in and has extreme lack in skills of, against one of the most skilled guys ever. It's about him getting his ass kicked guaranteed. Lol

Yes, we know. It's the only thing people talk about. There is more money in boxing.
Firstly, Joshua already has enough money. If he wants to prove he is actually a good fighter and not just a good boxer, then he would go into MMA. He might get paid less, but that's not really realistically a problem for someone already loaded.
But he doesn't want to prove that, becauee he knows he would be completely out of his depth, unless they give him favorable match ups, which again doesn't prove much of a point

Secondly, just because it's the same old trope without any nuance, there is only more money in boxing for the absolute top. There is more money for mid and lower tiers of fighters in MMA/UFC.
Yet, in general no boxers of any kind like to go into MMA. It's extremely rare.

And there aren't really many crossing over. A few are. A lot of them were already rerired fighters or they are at the end of their MMA career. They didn't just do it for the money, but for several reasons. Lots of them just like the sport.
Ngannou also didn't just go for the money, it was part of it, but more importantly it was always his dream to box. Fighting isn't just about money, yet so many people think it's the end all be all for these fighters to make their decisions with. Francois Botha went into kickboxing and that didn't pay more than boxing. But the dude wanted to challenge himself. But ultimately couldn't hang with the top, despite being a former world champion in boxing and coming from a much more established sport with a much bigger talent pool than kickboxing, especially back then.


Even Ray Mercer went into kickboxing and MMA he lost twice in kickboxing snd won against Tim Sylvia in MMA, which is kind of the Ngannou idea of having a perfectly suited opponent for him, a slow lunber striker in Timmeh, even though he was a former UFC champion. Though he was much worse, than Ngannou, of course. But then he loses to Kimbo Slice of all people, who himself only started MMA after his 40's if IIRC and he only had a backyard brawling and street fighting background. But with just a relatively short amount of training with Bas, he was already way too skilled for Mercer, a former WBO world champion and Olympic gold medalust boxer. Imagine if he fought Aspinalll, lol.
And against Bonjasky in kickboxing he straight up just quit the match after getting headkicked, because he just has absolutely no idea how to deal with it and that scared him so he just decided it was futile to continue.



That shows how conpletely foreign so much of the other elements of MMA are to a boxer. It's not something that is easily bridged to where they can compete with the highest level of MMA fighters (or kickboxers) who aren't just going to play into their game. Again, some favorable match ups might play into their game, but most won't if they are smart. Ngannou and big Timmeh aren't the smartest fighters (also not the dumbest, not trying to insult them) Aspinall is a very smart fighter.

But overall, I agree, we are never gonna see it.
 
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Bud, I'm not talking about UFC jitters. It's not about the crowd. It's about performing in a sport he never fought in and has extreme lack in skills of, against one of the most skilled guys ever. It's about him getting his ass kicked guaranteed. Lol

Yes, we know. It's the only thing people talk about. There is more money in boxing.
Firstly, Joshua already has enough money. If he wants to prove he is actually a good fighter and not just a good boxer, then he would go into MMA. He might get paid less, but that's not really realistically a problem for someone already loaded.
But he doesn't want to prove that, becauee he knows he would be completely out of his depth, unless they give him favorable match ups, which again doesn't prove much of a point

Secondly, just because it's the same old trope without any nuance, there is only more money in boxing for the absolute top. There is more money for mid and lower tiers of fighters in MMA/UFC.
Yet, in general no boxers of any kind like to go into MMA. It's extremely rare.

And there aren't really many crossing over. A few are. A lot of them were already rerired fighters or they are at the end of their MMA career. They didn't just do it for the money, but for several reasons. Lots of them just like the sport.
Ngannou also didn't just go for the money, it was part of it, but more importantly it was always his dream to box. Fighting isn't just about money, yet so many people think it's the end all be all for these fighters to make their decisions with. Francois Botha went into kickboxing and that didn't pay more than boxing. But the dude wanted to challenge himself. But ultimately couldn't hang with the top, despite being a former world champion in boxing and coming from a much more established sport with a much bigger talent pool than kickboxing, especially back then.


Even Ray Mercer went into kickboxing and MMA he lost twice in kickboxing snd won against Tim Sylvia in MMA, which is kind of the Ngannou idea of having a perfectly suited opponent for him, a slow lunber striker in Timmeh, even though he was a former UFC champion. Though he was much worse, than Ngannou, of course. But then he loses to Kimbo Slice of all people, who himself only started MMA after his 40's if IIRC and he only had a backyard brawling and street fighting background. But with just a relatively short amount of training with Bas, he was already way too skilled for Mercer, a former WBO world champion and Olympic gold medalust boxer. Imagine if he fought Aspinalll, lol.
And against Bonjasky in kickboxing he straight up just quit the match after getting headkicked, because he just has absolutely no idea how to deal with it and that scared him so he just decided it was futile to continue.



That shows how conpletely foreign so much of the other elements of MMA are to a boxer. It's not something that is easily bridged to where they can compete with the highest level of MMA fighters (or kickboxers) who aren't just going to play into their game. Again, some favorable match ups might play into their game, but most won't if they are smart. Ngannou and big Timmeh aren't the smartest fighters (also not the dumbest, not trying to insult them) Aspinall is a very smart fighter.

But overall, I agree, we are never gonna see it.

You are making a lot of assumptions here. Of course it's mainly, and in many cases solely, about the money. It's prizefighting. Boxing bouts are fights. You can say it's just boxing but the sport is far more dangerous than MMA. Many more people have died in the ring than in the cage. Then you say that MMA pays more at the mid and low tiers? On average boxing still pays more and at the very top it pays many, many times more. We're talking multi-million dollar guarantees.

Ray Mercer? He was completely shot when he tried MMA & kickboxing. The man was also in his 40s and nearly 50 when he sparked Sylvia out. That Kimbo submission loss of his was an exhibition bout btw.

Lots of popular MMA fighters have crossed over to boxing. Many of them are retired, yes, but they know where the biggest paydays are. Let's not fool ourselves. We know exactly why they're coming over. Top level boxers aren't going to come to MMA where they have to learn a bunch of new skills just to be paid less. They can simply stick to what they already know and make more money. However, there are a couple former top level boxers that came over recently. Both are Polish. One of them, Szpilka, just knocked out Pudz and the other, Glowacki, knocked a guy clean out off his back from bottom mount.
 
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You are making a lot of assumptions here. Of course it's mainly, and in many cases solely, about the money. It's prizefighting. Boxing bouts are fights. You can say it's just boxing but the sport is far more dangerous than MMA. Many more people have died in the ring than in the cage. Then you say that MMA pays more at the mid and low tiers? On average boxing still pays more and at the very top it pays many, many times more. We're talking multi-million dollar guarantees.

Ray Mercer? He was completely shot when he tried MMA & kickboxing. The man was also in his 40s and nearly 50 when he sparked Sylvia out. That Kimbo submission loss of his was an exhibition bout btw.

Lots of popular MMA fighters have crossed over to boxing. Many of them are retired, yes, but they know where the biggest paydays are. Let's not fool ourselves. We know exactly why they're coming over. Top level boxers aren't going to come to MMA where they have to learn a bunch of new skills just to be paid less. They can simply stick to what they already know and make more money. However, there are a couple former top level boxers that came over recently. Both are Polish. One of them, Szpilka, just knocked out Pudz and the other, Glowacki, knocked a guy clean out off his back from bottom mount.

Buddeh, it seems you just really don't want or aren't able to get my points. You keep misinterpreting what I am saying. It's pointless for me to continue this discussion. Have a nice day. No hard feelings.
 
Buddeh, it seems you just really don't want or aren't able to get my points. You keep misinterpreting what I am saying. It's pointless for me to continue this discussion. Have a nice day. No hard feelings.
I know it may be hard to accept but you don't need to be the ultimate badass to come into the UFC and win the heavyweight title today. The heavyweight division is weak. A career light heavyweight is now its king and he'll be entering his late 30s. The same is true of the heavyweight division in boxing. A former cruiserweight currently holds 3 of the 4 world titles and he's old as are most of the top boxers in the division. This isn't the lightweight or welterweight division. All it takes is one punch at heavyweight.
 
I know it may be hard to accept but you don't need to be the ultimate badass to come into the UFC and win the heavyweight title today. The heavyweight division is weak. A career light heavyweight is now its king and he'll be entering his late 30s. The same is true of the heavyweight division in boxing. A former cruiserweight currently holds 3 of the 4 world titles and he's old as are most of the top boxers in the division. This isn't the lightweight or welterweight division. All it takes is one punch at heavyweight.

So many goal posts being moved... it's incredible.
 
So many goal posts being moved... it's incredible.
No goalposts have been moved. AJ's chances would be much better in the UFC than you believe. Right off the bat. The most well-rounded MMA fighter of all time happens to agree with me.
 
No goalposts have been moved. AJ's chances would be much better in the UFC than you believe. Right off the bat. The most well-rounded MMA fighter of all time happens to agree with me.


it was never about his chances in the UFC it was about him vs Aspinall specifically from the start And you reacted to me initially, not the other way around and that was what I was talking about.


I already said to you that he would have a good chance in the HW division in general, because it is a weak division, but not against Aspinall. Guess you completely erased that from your memory or selectively read what you wanted to read.
 
it was never about his chances in the UFC it was about him vs Aspinall specifically from the start And you reacted to me initially, not the other way around and that was what I was talking about.


I already said to you that he would have a good chance in the HW division in general, because it is a weak division, but not against Aspinall. Guess you completely erased that from your memory or selectively read what you wanted to read.
It still applies to Aspinall. Hell, it also applies to Jones for that matter. With zero training AJ could walk into the octagon tomorrow and have a significant puncher's chance against any of them. Immediately out of the gate. Especially in 4 ounce MMA gloves. We're talking one clean shot and it's goodnight. If Ngannou terrorized the division, sleeping guys in 1 round left and right, just imagine what AJ could do with adequate MMA training.
 
It still applies to Aspinall. Hell, it also applies to Jones for that matter. With zero training AJ could walk into the octagon tomorrow and have a significant puncher's chance against any of them. Immediately out of the gate. Especially in 4 ounce MMA gloves. We're talking one clean shot and it's goodnight. If Ngannou terrorized the division, sleeping guys in 1 round left and right, just imagine what AJ could do with adequate MMA training.

Sure, bud. Nice deflection from being confronted with the fact that you aren't actually paying attention to my arguments and just want to argue your points without being receptive what I am saying.

So again, this discussion is pointless for me to continue, because you aren't willing to have an honest and open discussion. You're not open to the arguments I'm bringing. If/when you have opened your mind in the future, maybe we can have this discussion again then. Again, have a nice day, bud. No hard feelings.
 
Sure, bud. Nice deflection from being confronted with the fact that you aren't actually paying attention to my arguments and just want to argue your points without being receptive what I am saying.

So again, this discussion is pointless for me to continue, because you aren't willing to have an honest and open discussion. You're not open to the arguments I'm bringing. If/when you have opened your mind in the future, maybe we can have this discussion again then. Again, have a nice day, bud. No hard feelings.
How am I not being honest? I literally just admitted that the boxing heavyweight division was weak. Ngannou proved that. It just so happens that so is the UFC's heavyweight division. In fact, it's the weakest of all the men's weight classes. I watched Francis Ngannou terrorize that division. He often knocked guys out before they even had the chance to take him down. Just some food for thought.
 
How am I not being honest? I literally just admitted that the boxing heavyweight division was weak. Ngannou proved that. It just so happens that so is the UFC's heavyweight division. In fact, it's the weakest of all the men's weight classes. I watched Francis Ngannou terrorize that division. He often knocked guys out before they even had the chance to take him down. Just some food for thought.

You are not honest with yourself or me. Not sure which one, but I'm thinking the former. Again, I have told you I wasn't disputing the HW division being weak either in boxing or MMA. Yet you again think you have to bring it up.

I have told you explicitly you are not paying attention as I have literally said already that the HW division sucks .if you were honest with yourself, you'd think to yourself hey, he is right, I wasn't paying attention. Let me rectify that.
Instead you are just doubling down...
 
You are not honest with yourself or me. Not sure which one, but I'm thinking the former. Again, I have told you I wasn't disputing the HW division being weak either in boxing or MMA. Yet you again think you have to bring it up.

I have told you explicitly you are not paying attention as I have literally said already that the HW division sucks .if you were honest with yourself, you'd think to yourself hey, he is right, I wasn't paying attention. Let me rectify that.
Instead you are just doubling down...
I don't remember you ever saying that the division sucks. It just seems to me like you hold Aspinall in very high regard. He's well-rounded but there's a flipside to that. The guy already has losses on his record and he's yet to even become champion (I don't count interim titles). Aspinall isn't invincible.
 
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