Did Francis embarrass the sport of MMA

[Fedora Millionankles]

Learn how to read. I said we look at all the evidence, not just zero in on the stuff we like.



We have a vast body of evidence suggesting MMA fighters are capable of making adjustments in a fight in an attempt to turn the fight in their favor, but this website is full of idiots who think highly accomplished MMA fighters are incapable of changing tactics when losing an exchange of punches.

I know you like to be recreationally stupid, but this is a pretty weak effort, even for you.

What’s this “vast body of evidence.” Back up your claims instead of just hiding your speculation behind childish insults, temper tantrums, and bitch fits.
The evidence we do have is that if Francis stands with AJ, he goes night night.
You’re the one speculating that he could do this or could do that when the body of evidence is that he hits the deck with the first right hand AJ lands.

 

[blocnoir]

Dana White refusing to pay his top athletes better is more embarrassing. It's the only reason why Conor McGregor was on two knees and begging to get knocked out by Mayweather. Same reason why we got a bunch of washed up MMA fighters wanting to box Jake Paul.

Ding ding ding, we have the ultimate winner here.

 

[ferrisjso]

Wait, you think Mercer wouldn't have possibly KO'd Sylvia at other points in his career too???

Sylvia is a striker. He was always going to start by striking with Mercer, not shoot immediately like a grappler like Randy did to Toney. Sylvia just found the hard way that even 9 seconds was too long.

It amazes me that you guys have these fighters entire careers where they've fought great MMA strikers, which includes boxing focused MMA fighters, standing without shooting in seconds but think they'd suddenly do so just because it's a boxer.

Kimbo is also a striker and is an undefeated professional HW boxer. And he went to the ground within like a minute after clinching. When fighting a pure boxer with no TDD having a sucky ground game is irelevant. You go for the takedown.

 

[markg171]

Learn how to read. I said we look at all the evidence, not just zero in on the stuff we like.



We have a vast body of evidence suggesting MMA fighters are capable of making adjustments in a fight in an attempt to turn the fight in their favor, but this website is full of idiots who think highly accomplished MMA fighters are incapable of changing tactics when losing an exchange of punches.

I know you like to be recreationally stupid, but this is a pretty weak effort, even for you.

Kimbo is also a striker and is an undefeated professional HW boxer. And he went to the ground within like a minute after clinching. When fighting a pure boxer with no TDD having a sucky ground game is irelevant. You go for the takedown.

Dustin Poirier literally cannot stop going for fucking guillotines to stop TDs despite:

- it never working
- his coaches screaming at him to stop
- he himself admitting they never work
- presumably knowing how to instead properly defend a fucking takedown

Please tell me more about your mythical fantasy scenarios where MMA fighters fight to all their theoretical abilities instead of how they usually actually fight.

Jesus Christ. Next you guys will tell me you were surprised Chito actually stood with O'Malley or something when of course that was blindingly obviously going to happen as Chito always stands. Even if it was O'Malley's entire path to victory.

Seriously do you guys even actually watch these fighters, or do you live in alternate realities where they just have the same names but fight completely different than they really do?

 

[Hdfi]

this Problem has a solution.
Make Ngannou vs Renan, he will lose and the linear HW title will return and stay in MMA.

 

[Dr Guildo]

He didn't embarass the sport. He just showed that the top dog of this sport could be knocked out could very fast in a confrontation with a HW Boxer, any elite striker actually at HW.

 

[Sgt Smith]

Haha so true, the pacing in boxing events are awful. Its hard to concentrate on it all

It's been getting progressively worse in the UFC as well. The pacing in a ONE FC event is incredibly refreshing.

 

[orca]

the man conned everyone
into believing his hype
and lol at weirdos who post his purse
u weirdos do know that where talking about his boxing skills
not his purse right
it just shows you how shity his skills are
whenever weirdos counters it with the 30m usd purse

the real question is does his skills qualified for a 30m purse?
im sure theres like 500 boxers out there that are more skilled and more deserving than him
but yeah weirdos tryna do anything to hide how amateur his boxing really is

you weirdos dont even think about that do you?
what about other boxers who trained all their life
but gets rejected for a 30m purse
because of francis who is an amateur and can only sell 60k ppvs

 

[Dr Guildo]

MMA-fans need to accept that MMA is great for MMA. On streets or in a scene where things happens fast an elite striker will KO the MMA-artist before the MMA-artist even try to get the fight to the ground.

In other words: high level strikers will KTFO the MMA-player very fast in a "real" situation. Even in MMA a very Elite fighter with some kind of TDD wins. In the future all these leg-hugging fighters will die out. Striking is superior in the end. Especially in a "street"-situation.

 

[icemun]

No. He's still the baddest man on the planet. If you think Joshua would beat him in a real fight, power slap yourself.

Because Francis is known for his kicks, takedowns and BJJ

and he didnt lose to, Derick Lewis

 

[Khaiser]

Imagine actually looking at Mercer vs Sylvia and arguing that Sylvia was the one in a terrible state <45>

 

[Tyler Durden]

Yes, for some reason you think Francis is going to keep walking into punches from a better puncher for several minutes instead of utilizing his other skills. And for some reason you also think Francis can be grounded and pounded by a boxer. You're actually not thinking at all.

Please enlighten us on all of Francis' other skills.

 

[Phisher]

Because Francis is known for his kicks, takedowns and BJJ

and he didnt lose to, Derick Lewis

Dude, do you watch MMA?

Francis won his last two UFC fights because of his improved wrestling.

If he can take Stipe down, he can easily take down a guy who's never wrestled before.

 

[Phisher]

So you count Ray Mercer KO’ing Sylvia in seconds as an example of a boxer doing poorly in MMA because of the “state Sylvia was in?” That is so illogical that you sound like you are operating with a sub 70 IQ.
There is no evidence of a top 3 HW boxer in their prime fighting in MMA. None. The only evidence we have is that AJ is such a superior striker to Francis that if he lands, Francis sleeps again regardless of the sport.
You can attempt to sound intelligent and hide your idiocy behind childish insults, but you’re failing miserably.

Mercer/Sylvia doesn't count because that was originally supposed to be a boxing match, but the commission refused sanction it.

Mercer only agreed to MMA if Sylvia kept it standing.

Mercer got submitted by Kimbo. If Sylvia had actually used his full skillset, Mercer would've been the one who got finished early.

 

[Phisher]

So now Francis is Werdum? You cucks are embarrassing yourselves.

Again, do you obnoxious motherfuckers actually watch MMA, or do you just talk shit to trash fighters when they're down?

Francis has competent MMA wrestling and a submission win over a BJJ black belt in the UFC.

You think that he couldn't hit a switch off of the ground on a guy with no grappling experience?

 

[Tyler Durden]

Again, do you obnoxious motherfuckers actually watch MMA, or do you just talk shit to trash fighters when they're down?

Francis has competent MMA wrestling and a submission win over a BJJ black belt in the UFC.

You think that he couldn't hit a switch off of the ground on a guy with no grappling experience?

Sure... if AJ let him. But as we already know now, Joshua's right hand would land before Francis could pull together a sloppy TD attempt.


and stop being so emotional little buddy.

 

[Phisher]

Sure... if AJ let him. But as we already know now, Joshua's right hand would land before Francis could pull together a sloppy TD attempt.


and stop being so emotional little buddy.

The post that you responded to was about AJ following Francis to the ground.

You think that you know what AJ's GnP would look like?

This entire conversation about AJ winning in MMA is idiocy.

He didn't KO Francis instantly. He had to make a bunch of reads when Francis was being very active to set up the first big counter shot.

Francis would likely be able to take him down without trouble.

 

[don't ask]

Please enlighten us on all of Francis' other skills.

Dozens of people on this thread are answering this dumb-ass question. Outwrestling Gane and Stipe indicates he could outwrestle an untrained boxer.

 

[don't ask]

Because Francis is known for his kicks, takedowns and BJJ

and he didnt lose to, Derick Lewis

People are answering this dumb-ass question all over this thread. Outwrestling Gane and Stipe indicates he could outwrestle an untrained boxer.

 

[don't ask]

Dustin Poirier literally cannot stop going for fucking guillotines to stop TDs despite:

- it never working
- his coaches screaming at him to stop
- he himself admitting they never work
- presumably knowing how to instead properly defend a fucking takedown

Please tell me more about your mythical fantasy scenarios where MMA fighters fight to all their theoretical abilities instead of how they usually actually fight.

Jesus Christ. Next you guys will tell me you were surprised Chito actually stood with O'Malley or something when of course that was blindingly obviously going to happen as Chito always stands. Even if it was O'Malley's entire path to victory.

Seriously do you guys even actually watch these fighters, or do you live in alternate realities where they just have the same names but fight completely different than they really do?

I'm betting Poirier could guillotine an untrianed boxer, which is the point of this conversation that you keep trying to avoid. And you're dutifully forgetting Francis' takedowns on Gane and Stipe.