Did Francis embarrass the sport of MMA

[ferrisjso]

So you count Ray Mercer KO’ing Sylvia in seconds as an example of a boxer doing poorly in MMA because of the “state Sylvia was in?” That is so illogical that you sound like you are operating with a sub 70 IQ.
There is no evidence of a top 3 HW boxer in their prime fighting in MMA. None. The only evidence we have is that AJ is such a superior striker to Francis that if he lands, Francis sleeps again regardless of the sport.
You can attempt to sound intelligent and hide your idiocy behind childish insults, but you’re failing miserably.

It took AJ 2 minutes to knock Francis down once. 1 and a half rounds to make him sleep. I don't think that argument holds.

 

[don't ask]

There’s another bitch fit. You made the claim of a “vast body of evidence” and run like a chicken when asked to prove your claim. Youre not only an imbecile, but disingenuous and delusional as well.

Look at the entire history of MMA and why people started mixing martial arts in the first place and look particularly at how one-dimensional strikers (especially boxers) do. There's your vast body of evidence.

I don't particularly feel like spending my time repeating the same thing to someone who can only arrive at their opinion if they're intentionally being as stupid as possible, so I'm am tapping out of talking with you.

 

[don't ask]

He's also got the training to defend a takedown properly and never does so because he instead goes for a guillotine.

Like I said, you're delusionally having fighters fight in ways they don't actually fight. You're using their names but not their actual fighting.

I've lost the idiotic train of thought you used to arrive here. Poirier has 8 victories by submission and you think he wouldn't be able to submit a pure boxer that was outstriking him?

 

[moosaev]

No. He's still the baddest man on the planet. If you think Joshua would beat him in a real fight, power slap yourself.

The "real fight" argument is retarded. MMA isn't a real fight, it has rules. You can't eye gouge, hit the nuts, use weapons, etc. For all we know AJ would still beat Ngannou in a "real fight" that actually had no rules.

 

[don't ask]

The "real fight" argument is retarded. MMA isn't a real fight, it has rules. You can't eye gouge, hit the nuts, use weapons, etc. For all we know AJ would still beat Ngannou in a "real fight" that actually had no rules.

Have you seen the UFC lately? Eye gouges and nut shots are extremely common. That's just one more element of a real fight MMA fighters have experience with that boxers don't.

 

[markg171]

I've lost the idiotic train of thought you used to arrive here. Poirier has 8 victories by submission and you think he wouldn't be able to submit a pure boxer that was outstriking him?

Okay now I know you've never seen Poirier fight.

When Poirier's getting outstruck he bites down on his mouthpiece and swings back.

 

[moosaev]

Have you seen the UFC lately? Eye gouges and nut shots are extremely common. That's just one more element of a real fight MMA fighters have experience with that boxers don't.

In a "real fight" a ref won't stop the fight for an eye poke or a nut shot. So thanks for proving mma isn't' real fighting.

 

[don't ask]

In a "real fight" a ref won't stop the fight for an eye poke or a nut shot. So thanks for proving mma isn't' real fighting.

lol look at my words carefully, genius. I'm not arguing MMA is a real fight I'm saying MMA fighters have many advantages over boxers in a real fight. The points you brought up are just one more advantage they have. JFC at the illiteracy here.

 

[markg171]

The "real fight" argument is retarded. MMA isn't a real fight, it has rules. You can't eye gouge, hit the nuts, use weapons, etc. For all we know AJ would still beat Ngannou in a "real fight" that actually had no rules.

The funny part of all this "real fighting" talk is AJ was facing 15 years in prison for fighting in 2009 and literally took up boxing to protect himself in prison:

Speaking on Apple Music’s Songs for Life three years ago, Joshua said: “A couple of weeks, nothing major, I had been charged and I was on remand. I just knew that I was looking at 15 years. I thought I’d do that easily. I’d have been out two years ago. If it’s guilty, it’s guilty.

“My mindset was in a different place: don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. When I got bailed, I started learning how to box and lift weights because I thought, 'I’m going to serve a long sentence. I need to back myself.’

He also has the knuckle scars to prove his street fighting, such as one time he fought 6 guys while out getting chicken.

Joshua responds: “You know, funny enough… I’m not a troublesome person, I’ll be honest with you – far from troublesome – but I used to get in fights, and my skin hasn’t healed too well.

“So, this knuckle… I was going to get chicken one evening, and I ended up fighting six guys on my own. And that was just like massive – really good scrap. And I think this [one] is from the same time.”

Everybody thinks Joshua's this polished British lad, but that's the marketing team behind him.

 

[don't ask]

Okay now I know you've never seen Poirier fight.

When Poirier's getting outstruck he bites down on his mouthpiece and swings back.

I'm going to say something that's going to blow your mind. Someone who has submitted people with grappling training has the ability to also submit people without grappling training. And now I'm tapping out from this conversation because I'm not spending my time going back and forth with someone who tries to have the most aggressively stupid opinions possible.

 

[markg171]

I'm going to say something that's going to blow your mind. Someone who has submitted people with grappling training has the ability to also submit people without grappling training.

I bet you're a real shitty gambler if you're predicting fights based on how someone theoretically could fight vs how they actually fight.

 

[Iplaytolose]

Everyone acts like the mma'er is just going to easily take down the boxer without ever getting hit or stuffed. We see guys like Ngannou and Gane with limited training rise to the top of the HW division. A boxer with 1 yr take down defense could come over and start scorching these guys. Hell we got guys like Izzy and Alex who came over from kicking box and easily becomes champ. To think boxers couldn't do the same is stupid and shows how insecure mma fangurls are.

Holy Holm already did it

 

[Private Whatley]

Wait, you think Mercer wouldn't have possibly KO'd Sylvia at other points in his career too???

Sylvia is a striker. He was always going to start by striking with Mercer, not shoot immediately like a grappler like Randy did to Toney. Sylvia just found the hard way that even 9 seconds was too long.

It amazes me that you guys have these fighters entire careers where they've fought great MMA strikers, which includes boxing focused MMA fighters, standing without shooting in seconds but think they'd suddenly do so just because it's a boxer.

Sylvia trained at Miletich, which would suggest that he at least observed countless hours of grappling and ought to have been able to implement it against a 40 some year old retired boxer with no grappling training. He deliberately chose not to, because he wanted to test his hands against a specialist. Wrong move.

 

[Private Whatley]

Holy Holm already did it

Pereira and Adesanya too. Adesanya’s ufc debut was only in 2018 and Pereira debuted in November 2021. It feels like Adesanya has been around forever now, but 2018 isn’t that long ago really.

 

[markg171]

Sylvia trained at Miletich, which would suggest that he at least observed countless hours of grappling and ought to have been able to implement it against a 40 some year old retired boxer with no grappling training. He deliberately chose not to, because he wanted to test his hands against a specialist. Wrong move.

That doesn't change that he's a career striker, not grappler. He strikes with people.

Sylvia was always goes to risk striking with Mercer. Same way he did with guys like Arlovksi and Fedor.

 

[ipowerslapmywife]

Sure... if AJ let him. But as we already know now, Joshua's right hand would land before Francis could pull together a sloppy TD attempt.


and stop being so emotional little buddy.

Why are boxing fans acting like he knocked out ngannou with the first punch. Francis would be able to get him to the ground in a street fight or clinch. He could also take Joshua off guard by throwing the first punch

 

[ferrisjso]

That doesn't change that he's a career striker, not grappler. He strikes with people.

Sylvia was always goes to risk striking with Mercer. Same way he did with guys like Arlovksi and Fedor.

But thats based on fighting people who know everything in MMA at a basic level. When you're fighting someone with no grappling whatsoever it doesn't matter if you're a striker.

 

[MCS]

No. He did better than supposed. But, the embarrassing thing in MMA are new trends that hurt the fighters. Most can't fight both stances. O'Malley and some others can. Ngannou can't, yet the ones who can't have to do it just because. Can get away with it in MMA, but annoying to see it being tested against the best in boxing. They don't "have to" fight both stances. It's not a requirement. Or it can be used sparingly, like for shots. Yet it's thought to be a survival thing.

 

[White Belt_Knowledge]

Not at all, he arguably beat Fury and then just happened to face a guy who is just as explosive and Athletic while being a lot younger in Anthony Joshua, who has been boxing since he was a kid

 

[Problem24/7]

You've never read much about logical fallacies, do you?

You've never gotten laid much, have you?