Social Ohio high school and sexual writing assignments

[freakroor]

What is it then?
Immaturity? Stupidity? Recklessness?
Or just wanting to come of edgy?

i simply pointed out that Ohio’s legal age of consent is 16 yrs old.

 

[SanchoMF]

i simply pointed out that Ohio’s legal age of consent is 16 yrs old…

Yeah and then what..?

 

[freakroor]

Yeah and then what..?

Given that the age of consent is 16 and the age of majority is 18, the idea of corrupting a 17 year old with a sexual writing prompt is laughable.

 

[SanchoMF]

Given that the age of consent is 16 and the age of majority is 18, the idea of corrupting a 17 year old with a sexual writing prompt is laughable.

Yeah NOPE and the age of consent has nothing to do with it : the context matters and in this case it's school, not forgetting these children in question are legally underaged.
It's not the school's job to ask kids about their sexual fantasies, even if the exposition was done due to incompetence and neglect.
Would you ask 17-year old describe their sexual fantasies to you publicly?

 

[Confucamus]

I read a couple articles, and I saw a video of the mayor speaking.

I'm not disputing that those prompts exist in the books.

You literally did though. How can you say this now?

I am saying that the people with the problem are misrepresenting what the book is, and what the situation is. They are making it out to be like the class is being taught some depraved sexual shit, just like CRT nuts act like CRT is an Antifa "fuck whitey" briefing, and that that's being taught in school.

You're intentionally exaggerating the reactions of people against this, or CRT, in order to brush them off as overreacting.

We're talking about an advanced liberal arts class for 17 year olds that is for college credit.
To make allegations of "distributing child pornography" and act like we're talking about small children is completely over looking that important context of the situation, and misrepresenting what is happening.

They don't have to only be "small children" though.

In that same book are prompts for " 'the worst Thanksgiving dish, or writing about the perfect day as an astronaut."
I'm not defending the book. I'm saying that the motivation and the cause of the anger isn't genuine. It's just a product of this political environment.

You don't know that and you don't get to tell parents that they can't object to what their children are being taught in school.

I don't personally see an issue with a 17 year old in an advanced college credit class SEEING the words 'sex' and 'beer' in a book--especially when the book is literally for college credit. I would expect those students to be more mature.
BUT, if that is a problem to other parents, then they are free to change the book.
But to act like there is some kind of devious evil scheme here is silly. The school board apologized and said they'd take back the book and find a new one, that should've been the end of it.

None of these parents alleged a "devious scheme". They just felt some of these prompts were inappropriate.

It's the similar issue when discussing things like CRT or Defund the police. People misrepresenting what these issues are about because of their politics. Things like CRT and Civil Rights doesn't have a side--it is what it is.
You guys want these things to be straight forward, black and white, when they're not.

We're not talking about Civil Rights when we talk about these prompts or CRT. You conflate the two as a way to shame anybody who questions CRT.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

You literally did though. How can you say this now?




You're intentionally exaggerating the reactions of people against this, or CRT, in order to brush them off as overreacting.



None of these parents alleged a "devious scheme". They just felt some of these prompts were inappropriate.




We're not talking about Civil Rights when we talk about these prompts or CRT. You conflate the two as a way to shame anybody who questions CRT.

You literally did though. How can you say this now?

No, I didn't. Perhaps you misread something, or misunderstood something. I said that the people criticizing this whole thing and making a big deal of this didn't really read the book, and/or are politically motivated. And that there were 3 or 4 prompts that were inappropriate--and that it isn't some pervert book of sexual writing training. I didn't say the prompts were made up, I'm saying the anger and cause of the anger is.

I'm not exaggerating anything. I am reacting to their overexaggeration.

They don't have to only be "small children" though.

That's an important part of this story. One that you are intentionally ignoring and downplaying. The story sounds a lot more salacious when you don't look at the details. They're 17 year old taking a college class, a class that they would be taking 1 year from now anyways in the real world. To cause a stink over this book when your 17 year old is taking an adult class is silly. It would make more sense if the class was a standard high school class.

You don't know that and you don't get to tell parents that they can't object to what their children are being taught in school.

I don't know what? The other prompts about Thanksgiving and the astronaut were confirmed to be there in an article I read.
Unless they're some fundamentalist religious type people, and/or just didn't look over the book thoroughly, you're full of crap if you're going to tell me parents are legitimately upset about this book and nothing else political is attached to it.
That being said, I ALSO said that parents have a right to question and CHANGE the book if they think it is inappropriate. I didn't question the parents right to know what their child is being taught, I question their motivations and knowledge of the issue.
There is no way you can get on board with accusations of child porn and threaten to bring criminal charges and fire a school board and have read this book, and call yourself a sane and good faith actor. It is literally impossible.

 

[Plissken]

That teacher definitely uses this stuff as masturbatory material.

 

[Confucamus]

No, I didn't. Perhaps you misread something, or misunderstood something.

This is how our convo just went.

Being prompted to write out a sex scene twice, one your mother would approve of and another she wouldn't, is equal to sex being merely mentioned? I'm not a prude at all guy, but stop that nonsense.

They weren't prompted to do that.

You claim nobody who has a problem with the prompts actually looked at the prompts. Did you? Because the example I listed, the one you're claiming they weren't prompted to do, was literally read out loud from the book by a parent at the board meeting. Did you even read or watch anything on this?

I read a couple articles, and I saw a video of the mayor speaking.
I'm not disputing that those prompts exist in the books.

That's an important part of this story. One that you are intentionally ignoring and downplaying. The story sounds a lot more salacious when you don't look at the details. They're 17 year old taking a college class, a class that they would be taking 1 year from now anyways in the real world. To cause a stink over this book when your 17 year old is taking an adult class is silly. It would make more sense if the class was a standard high school class.

Of course a 16 or 17 year old being exposed to this stuff isn't as severe as like an 8 year old or something. But in the eyes of the law...? A 16 year old needs a parent to get into an R rated movie. Seems dumb, but it's true.

I don't know what? The other prompts about Thanksgiving and the astronaut were confirmed to be there in an article I read.
Unless they're some fundamentalist religious type people, and/or just didn't look over the book thoroughly, you're full of crap if you're going to tell me parents are legitimately upset about this book and nothing else political is attached to it.

You keep mentioning politics, but the parents and mayor don't mention politics in those news videos I watched. It's more likely your political affiliation is why you're attacking these parents. You're upset that they're upset and are questioning the material taught to their children.

That being said, I ALSO said that parents have a right to question and CHANGE the book if they think it is inappropriate. I didn't question the parents right to know what their child is being taught, I question their motivations and knowledge of the issue.

You can, if you want. But you're only guessing and, at the end of the day, they are the parents of these kids and they're speaking up about the prompts.

There is no way you can get on board with accusations of child porn and threaten to bring criminal charges and fire a school board and have read this book, and call yourself a sane and good faith actor. It is literally impossible.

I'd love to hear the judge explain it, to be honest. However, I don't think CP means only pictures. If you were writing sex stories for underage children involving them, that would fall into that category. Why wouldn't prompting underage kids to write sex stories be as well?

 

[SmilinDesperado]

This is how our convo just went.

You can, if you want. But you're only guessing and, at the end of the day, they are the parents of these kids and they're speaking up about the prompts.



I'd love to hear the judge explain it, to be honest. However, I don't think CP means only pictures. If you were writing sex stories for underage children involving them, that would fall into that category. Why wouldn't prompting underage kids to write sex stories be as well?

Being prompted to write out a sex scene twice, one your mother would approve of and another she wouldn't, is equal to sex being merely mentioned? I'm not a prude at all guy, but stop that nonsense.

What? You're saying that they were PROMPTED to write about a sex scene. That is not true. That was one of 642 PROMPTS inside of the book...like an essay prompt..a topic to give you something to write about.
The students were not forced to write about sex. That prompt/topic just existed in the book.

Of course a 16 or 17 year old being exposed to this stuff isn't as severe as like an 8 year old or something. But in the eyes of the law...? A 16 year old needs a parent to get into an R rated movie. Seems dumb, but it's true.

And nobody is arguing that the students MUST be exposed to adult content.
The argument is that equivocating this to child pornography, threatening to fire and jail the school board is beyond absurd.
These 17 year olds are taking a college class, which is by default an ADULT class. To then scream "child porn!" when a book has some mature content in it is beyond stupid. If the parents have objection to it, fine, but this is a story because of the allegations made by the mayor.

You keep mentioning politics, but the parents and mayor don't mention politics in those news videos I watched. It's more likely your political affiliation is why you're attacking these parents. You're upset that they're upset and are questioning the material taught to their children.

They don't need to say "I am doing this for politics" for me to see what is blatantly clear here. No one ever says "I'm doing this for politics"
There are only 2 options here. It's either politically motivated, or these people are really stupid and easily misled. You aren't being honest here. In this climate of fears of "CRT in schools", and people going to school board meetings and protesting, you're trying to tell me that there is nothing political going on here? It's just 50/50, and I"m just throwing out a wild guess? Throwing out CP allegations and jail is normal?


I've taught at universities for over a decade. So, I am aware of what it is like to choose books for a course. And unless you wrote the book yourself, you are never going to find "the perfect book" that has everything that you want, written in the style and way that you want to teach it. A primary school teacher is not writing their own books for class, they are just going with books that already exist. The idea that they need to verify every single passage in the book is not reality, especially when we're talking about a college credit class. The course is 'Liberal Arts', and this class likely has multiple books, and a book of writing prompts isn't going to be their main book.
Teachers get a book that is generally good, and then use the good parts, and ignore the ones that don't fit with the course. You don't have to be a teacher to understand this.
Your teachers didn't go over every single word and chapter in the books that they assigned you when you were a student.

 

[Fluffernutter]

Mark Twain is on line 1.

 

[IamStryker]

stop screeching. No one tried to “sexualize kids” here. They were never given any assignments related to this stuff. It just happened to be that in a book of almost seven hundred prompts two mentioned sex and one mentioned a beer and the kids were never asked to do any of those prompts.

Could you guys clutch your pearls any harder over nothing? Wet paper bags have thicker skin than a lot of you.


Hint; don’t look up “catcher in the rye” or the content may make someone as sensitive as you faint.

Where did you read that the kids were never given any of those prompts? I would want to know that.

I also want clarification that the kids in this class were not underage.

 

[Confucamus]

What? You're saying that they were PROMPTED to write about a sex scene. That is not true. That was one of 642 PROMPTS inside of the book...like an essay prompt..a topic to give you something to write about.
The students were not forced to write about sex. That prompt/topic just existed in the book.

Dude, just stop.

And nobody is arguing that the students MUST be exposed to adult content.
The argument is that equivocating this to child pornography, threatening to fire and jail the school board is beyond absurd.
These 17 year olds are taking a college class, which is by default an ADULT class. To then scream "child porn!" when a book has some mature content in it is beyond stupid. If the parents have objection to it, fine, but this is a story because of the allegations made by the mayor.

Nobody "screamed" it. You're exaggerating their reaction to the prompts in this book.

They don't need to say "I am doing this for politics" for me to see what is blatantly clear here. No one ever says "I'm doing this for politics"
There are only 2 options here. It's either politically motivated, or these people are really stupid and easily misled. You aren't being honest here. In this climate of fears of "CRT in schools", and people going to school board meetings and protesting, you're trying to tell me that there is nothing political going on here? It's just 50/50, and I"m just throwing out a wild guess? Throwing out CP allegations and jail is normal?

You're all over the place here and you can't seem to stick to one point.

I've taught at universities for over a decade. So, I am aware of what it is like to choose books for a course. And unless you wrote the book yourself, you are never going to find "the perfect book" that has everything that you want, written in the style and way that you want to teach it. A primary school teacher is not writing their own books for class, they are just going with books that already exist. The idea that they need to verify every single passage in the book is not reality, especially when we're talking about a college credit class. The course is 'Liberal Arts', and this class likely has multiple books, and a book of writing prompts isn't going to be their main book.
Teachers get a book that is generally good, and then use the good parts, and ignore the ones that don't fit with the course. You don't have to be a teacher to understand this.
Your teachers didn't go over every single word and chapter in the books that they assigned you when you were a student.

This is kind of a weak misdirection. There is a heightened focus on the curriculum being taught in school today. This began because parents were brave enough to speak out against woke politics and CRT. There doesn't appear to be a political message behind these prompts or the parents' anger at them. You're only saying there is to strengthen your argument. Do you really believe parents shouldn't be able to speak up about the curriculum their students are learning? Is it "Shut up and learn what I teach you"? Not sure why you're getting so upset about this. If there was a book of prompts that asked students to write a story from the point of view of a family that accidentally drove up to a BLM roadblock and now had to fight for their lives, you'd have an issue with it.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Dude, just stop.



Nobody "screamed" it. You're exaggerating their reaction to the prompts in this book.



You're all over the place here and you can't seem to stick to one point.



This is kind of a weak misdirection. There is a heightened focus on the curriculum being taught in school today. This began because parents were brave enough to speak out against woke politics and CRT. There doesn't appear to be a political message behind these prompts or the parents' anger at them. You're only saying there is to strengthen your argument. Do you really believe parents shouldn't be able to speak up about the curriculum their students are learning? Is it "Shut up and learn what I teach you"? Not sure why you're getting so upset about this. If there was a book of prompts that asked students to write a story from the point of view of a family that accidentally drove up to a BLM roadblock and now had to fight for their lives, you'd have an issue with it.

Honestly, I'm questioning whether or not English is your first language. And I'm not the least bit upset. THAT is a weak misdirection.
You don't seem to understand that the word prompted is a verb, and that prompt is a noun.
You clearly either didn't read what I wrote, or don't understand it. Because you're repeating things that I've already addressed.
Have a good one.

 

[Confucamus]

Honestly, I'm questioning whether or not English is your first language. And I'm not the least bit upset. THAT is a weak misdirection.
You don't seem to understand that the word prompted is a verb, and that prompt is a noun.
You clearly either didn't read what I wrote, or don't understand it. Because you're repeating things that I've already addressed.
Have a good one.

You're playing word games. I gave an example of a prompt. You said they weren't prompted to do that. I showed you they were. You're all "Yes, it was a prompt in the book but it doesn't mean they were prompted!" Like, what? Whatever, guy. You have a good one too.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

You're playing word games. I gave an example of a prompt. You said they weren't prompted to do that. I showed you they were. You're all "Yes, it was a prompt in the book but it doesn't mean they were prompted!" Like, what? Whatever, guy. You have a good one too.

This is not "word games", this is word definitions and basic grammar.
If the students were prompted to write an assignment, then that means they were asked to do the assignment. They were not prompted (verb) to write about sex. There was no sex essay that they were forced to write for some perverted teacher's pleasure. The example you gave was a prompt...which is a noun.

This is a statement from the school board.

"We feel terrible. At no time were any of these inappropriate prompts selected or discussed but still they were there and they were viewable and you can't unsee them. So for this oversight, we did issue an apology today to our students' parents."

This entire drama was over these prompts (noun) just being visible in the book, not the students being prompted (verb) to write about them.
You can't even get this simple, important fact straight.

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

Didn't an Ohio university hold some sort of sex work seminar last year - with a lecture on making OnlyFans work?

Classy place.

A university offered a course adults could volunteer to go to or not?
Such a travesty, I hope the flags were put at half mast that day

 

[freakroor]

Would you ask 17-year old describe their sexual fantasies to you publicly?

i think 17 is old enough that they can decide for themselves whether to respond to a risque prompt.

 

[SanchoMF]

i think 17 is old enough that they can decide for themselves whether to respond to a risque prompt.

So you would have no problem with asking that from a 17-yo? Just be clear

 

[Poser Caust]

ten pages of closeted pedos

fuck your selves

 

[SmilinDesperado]

So you would have no problem with asking that from a 17-yo? Just be clear

To be even more clear, this didn't happen. No one was given that assignment.
To assign the prompt would be inappropriate, even in a college course unless the class was specifically about writing about sexuality.

Would you have a problem with a 17 year old, that is taking a college course, that has a book with a sex related prompt in it, even though the prompt isn't being used or addressed by the teacher?