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Discussion in 'MMA Betting Discussion' started by EzFlyer, Oct 1, 2016.

  1. Oblivian Aging Platinum Member

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    I can completely see your point with Dodson being way too inactive. That is clearly what lost him the fight. But how in the world can you say "Lineker clearly did more damage tonight"? When you have someone playing the matador all night dropping back when someone is winging doesn't mean they are hurt. Dodson actually dropped Lineker. He landed a flush headkick. I'm not one to say "look at his face", but let's not act like Dodson did that to him from grazing shots. I really think Dodson landed the better strikes. Lineker did not win that fight from doing more damage or punishing more; he won that from Dodson's inactivity, his more aggressive body language, and forward advancing.
     
  2. mkess101 Not the hero he deserves, but the hero he needs

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    I'm not saying definitively one guy did more damage. I'm honestly not sure how you can say Lineker "definitely" did either. Based on....? The fact that when he wanted to brawl Dodson moved out of the pocket and reset? The hardest, cleanest strikes landed were probably Dodson's 3 flush head kicks. Almost anyone else is looking up at the lights. Credit to Lineker for having an insane chin, but he never hurt Dodson either. It looks more like it maybe because Dodson was immediately looking for a way to move away when Lineker started throwing bombs but imo that shouldn't factor into a decision.

    But I do agree with your point in that (generally) we know what judges look for and maybe Dodson should adjust based on that. That said, I've seen enough insane decisions to question if we really do know what judges want. And if that is the criteria (which is of course wildly subjective) I don't think it's totally the correct way to judge a fight. Just my opinion.
     
  3. Oblivian Aging Platinum Member

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    Ironically, the champ in that division has won his last 6 out of his last 7 fights via decision and gets paid more than them both....
     
  4. mkess101 Not the hero he deserves, but the hero he needs

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    Do you understand that the head kicks landed by Dodson put away almost anyone else in the division? He was throwing power shots, landing them, trying to end the fight. Lineker has a great chin. You're acting like Dodson ran away and threw a few jabs.

    Guys have straight up run in fights and had no interest in actually fighting. But that's not what happened here.
     
  5. MMAJay Green Belt

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    When the rules change in 2017 it's gonna be even better for Lineker considering "individual damage" will count more than counted strikes.
     
  6. Brick Top Yellow Swag Banned

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    The whole point is to hit and not get hit. It wouldn't even be a sport if both guys stood in a tiny cage and just threw hands till one of them dropped like retarded casual fans seem to expect.
     
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    DJ doesn't run from the fight though, you can't say anyone that wins by decision automatically subscribes to that policy. Maybe I'm wrong I dunno, Dodson always seems to come to fight so I'm not trying to point to him, its the fights like the Vierra fight tonight that they get the W but whats the point? I feel as if they wasted the last 6 months of their lives training if thats how they intended to apply it.
     
  8. Oblivian Aging Platinum Member

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    I think it will be business as usual for Lineker. He didn't win a robbery there by any means. If he's getting to a decision in a fight that is mostly standup, there is a good chance he is winning it under current ruleset anyhow. People act as though this rule change is going to change things a lot - judging has never really followed a ruleset strictly.
     
  9. Timurd123 Andy Hug Belt

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    To clarify my damage comment

    My opinion is that when they did get in exchanges, Lineker landed some great body shots and a few to the head too

    While the effects didnt show I just think internally Lineker did more damage, and I base that from years of fight experience

    But I will take back my comment on Lineker "most definitely" doing more damage, its just my opinion

    All in all it was a close fight, Dodson didnt "run" like some people are saying
     
  10. SBJJ Steel Belt

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    Jesus guys. Go back and read the multiple pages of debate over this fight. Go read what most Lineker backers argued. They argued they thought Dodson inactivity would hurt him and his style would possibly not look good to the judges. Meanwhile the Dodson side argued that Lineker was a 1 trick pony and would be outclassed.

    It was fairly close. But no mma capper can get every fight right.
     
  11. PuertoRican Gold Belt

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    Hopefully UFC 204 is a little more entertaining.

    Out of 12 fights on the Lineker vs. Dodson card, only 3 were fun to watch, imo.
     
  12. Oblivian Aging Platinum Member

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    I can tell you that almost any fighter is going to say the point is to win and make money.

    You are right though - Dodson will be kicking himself in the ass for inactivity because I guarantee you that is what lost him the fight. Taking damage did not lose him that fight.
     
  13. Brick Top Yellow Swag Banned

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    The only good bet here was Lineker dec at +900 I just didn't expect his cardio to hold up that long with the amount of power shots he misses but his durability is just insane.

    I knew it was always going to be a close fight so a bet on either guy at around evens was a bad bet.
     
  14. SBJJ Steel Belt

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    And there were actual occasions that Dodson literally ran. If I have a close round and 1 guy is running AT the other fighter. While 1 guy is running away the other fighter. It is fine for a judge to factor that in. And that judge is not stupid and is not less intelligent than a judge who would score it the other way.
     
  15. Oblivian Aging Platinum Member

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    Yes, most were arguing Lineker would win by decision due to Dodson's inactivity at which sat at +500. I guess I was absent for that one.
     
  16. EzFlyer Titanium Belt

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    no post fight presser?
     
  17. SBJJ Steel Belt

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    Totally understandable to think lineker might not have 5 rounds in him with his style
     
  18. mkess101 Not the hero he deserves, but the hero he needs

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    Whoever I was talking to earlier about Cerrone/Brazilian Cowboy, I just rewatched and for the 2-3 minutes the fight was standing nothing significant at all happened. Not sure what you guys were talking about. BC looked fine I guess but neither guy landed big shots at all or did anything that mattered. Then the takedown and Cerrone literally clowned BC inside a minute after that.

    So yeah, I'll stand by my assessment of that fight that it was domination by Cerrone. 3 minutes of some clinching and a few strikes thrown followed by a takedown, grappling clinic, sub in rd 1 is dominance to me...
     
  19. SBJJ Steel Belt

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    And if Lineker is a 1 trick pony. That trick is to be able to throw hard shots while pushing forward for 5 rounds while eating literally anything his opponent throws at him. Not a bad trick to have.
     
  20. SBJJ Steel Belt

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    I've concluded Cerrone is a god damn stud at 170
     

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