Crime Police Shoot Man In Back, Riots and Unrest Ensue

[Nameless Ghoul]

The three BLM hero's shot by Kyle Rittenhouse

Joseph D. Rosenbaum: Convicted sex offender, level 3, sexual misconduct with a child (bald dude, shot after he tried to dropped kick Rittenhouse when he was on his back)

Anthony M. Huber: Pled guilty to false imprisonment with a dangerous weapon, strangulation domestic dispute, and battery (skateboard dude, shot after trying to bash Rittenhouse's head in with skateboard)

Gauge P. Grosskreutz: Felony burglary, theft, probation violation, felon in possession of a firearm (one arm dude, shot after attempting drawing a concealed handgun on Rittenhouse after feigning surrender) Don't believe me, Google their names and see their mugshots.

It's an outrage that these pillars of the community suffered the fate that they did....

 

[evergreenrider]

His lawyer is good I’ll give them that. Kids going to walk.

TLDR, he was hired security, gun belonged to friend.



"According to Pierce Brainbridge, the lawfirm representing the Antioch teen, on the day of the shooting, the 17-year-old worked as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, and later on, he went to the local public high school to remove graffiti.

Many buildings were tagged with graffiti and several were destroyed when unrest ensued in the days following the shooting of Jacob Blake by a Kenosha police officer.

On Tuesday, according to attorneys, Rittenhouse and a friend received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed and needed help protecting his business. Kyle and the friend armed themselves with rifles and headed to the business.

The attorneys stated that protesters threatened and taunted Rittenhouse several times as he and his friend stood guard at the business. They claim the 17-year-old became concerned about protesters injured in clashes with police, and went to provide first aid, according to NBC affiliate WTMJ in Milwaukee.

Rittenhouse eventually made his way toward a second auto shop where he was confronted by protesters, according to a news release.

"Upon the sound of a gunshot behind him, Kyle turned and was immediately faced with an attacker lunging towards him and reaching for his rifle," the attorneys said. "He reacted instantaneously and justifiably with his weapon to protect himself, firing and striking the attacker."

Kyle stopped to ensure care for the wounded person, but faced a "growing mob," according to the lawfirm.

"In fear for his life and concerned the crowd would either continue to shoot at him or even use his own weapon against him, Kyle had no choice but to fire multiple rounds towards his immediate attackers, striking two, including one armed attacker," the statement from the lawfirm added.

The lawyers contend the 17-year-old "exercised his God-given, Constitutional, common law and statutory law right to self-defense."

"“A 17-year old child should not have to take up arms in America to protect life and property," the statement read. "That is the job of state and local governments. However, those governments have failed, and law-abiding citizens have no choice but to protect their own communities.His lawyer is good I’ll give them that. Kids going to walk.

 

[floivanus]

Thank you for that.
You’re right, dude is real and while he’s definitively right wing, he’s logical, rational, and cautious in his approach to subjects which I can definitely appreciate.

Mike is a good man and a hell of a soldier.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'd argue it has much more to do with a change in culture due to the Women's Liberation movement and feminism than with Capitalism. Up until around 1960 in the U.S. the nuclear family was still going strong even in a Capitalistic system but that's when things really started to go south. Women are now told that there's no honor or prestige in being a wife and mother and that instead, they should pursue college and a career which kind of makes rearing children an afterthought. I agree though that in our greed-based, consumerist system, family considerations often take a back seat to worker productivity and such like. I mean do most families really need two full-time working parents who barely have any time for their children at all? The answer is no.

Unfortunately I do think many families require two working parents unless one of them is well educated in a field with good wages. But everyone can't have that.

In fact two working parents is the norm throughout history, it was only really in the post war era of prosperity that the US could sustain a nuclear family with one working parent. In a peasant family the mother was a field hand or worked around the farm in some capacity, in an urban poor family she might help around the shop if the family owned one or work as a domestic or petty saleswoman or something like that. This is where extended families are supposed to come in; even if you have two working parents if you have grandparents or uncles and aunts or older cousins and so on present that can be balanced with the reality that most adults had to work. But forget the extended family, even the nuclear family has barely survived the onslaught of capitalism. As for the point about feminism, well I answered a similar point earlier so I'll just post that.

Hmm, its a potentially a chicken and egg situation. My counter would be the idea is that the capitalist structure saw feminism as useful because allowing women into the labor market would benefit the capitalist class. Expand the supply of labor to cheapen its value, similar to how many in the business class have an under the table tolerance for illegal immigration. Notice how mainstream feminism is often not the anti-capitalist kind, its often this stale corporate approved kind where the ideal of equality is that women should strive to become equally replaceable cogs in the machine("we need more women in the workforce!") or equally exploitative managers("we need more female CEOs!").

I do agree that the excesses of capitalism can be reigned in by a traditional culture, that's how America was before the 60s despite its grave flaws like racial segregation. We had what Samuel Huntington called an "Anglo-Protestant" culture which didn't mean that everyone had to be an Anglo-Saxon Protestant but rather that we had a shared culture that was influenced by that tradition that people generally assimilated to even if they weren't Anglo-Saxon like the Irish and Italian Catholics or, to a lesser extent, the Jews.

But the problem is that capitalism trends towards eroding that culture and traditional families. So unless each generation is conscious of these effects and consciously tries to offset them, by emphasizing the importance of the family and of parenthood and so on, capitalism will atomize the family and erode traditional culture replacing it with this kind of globalized pop culture. As long as you can sell movie tickets or CDs and so on you're a "winner" under capitalism even if you're peddling the most denigrate filth.

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/12/17/1-the-american-family-today/

Ah what I would give to have been married at 23 to a 20 year old...

Anyway yes its a worrying trend. Funny enough it was Reagan who first passed no fault divorce in California then later on at the national level. But obviously he could not do so without the political will so its not fair to solely blame him.

The easy answer here is to return women to their traditional role of wife and mother for the sake of family stability, and stronger and healthier children. If the left really cared about these things at all this would be the solution but they're not the slightest bit interested in Capitalism's supposed negative effects on family cohesiveness, really. They're the biggest proponents of feminism after all which is 10x worse. In addition, the left overall seems to have little grasp of the significance of familial relationships on people's development and general well-being, which is really not surprising if you think about. It's all about power and prestige with them, if women have to take a less glorious support role for the betterment of families, children, and society in general the cost is just not worth it in their view since women wouldn't be full-fledged equals with men in every respect.

You can't just tell people what to do though, they're going to respond to the incentive structure around them and the incentive structure of capitalism is anathema to cultivating families. To the extent people do its despite capitalism, not because of it. Look at even the winners of capitalism, the wealthy; they actually have fewer kids than the poor on average even though they could afford to spawn dozens of kids in some cases. In the game of capitalism your bank account is like a cup with no bottom, it can never be filled. As they say, if a man had a valley full of gold he'd want a second valley full of gold.

Well, that's simply not true. I'm firmly on the right and I don't support Capitalism over the family, whatever that means. I'd say the left supports feminism over the family which is a far more direct dichotomy, I think.


I agree, which is why it's hard to take any of the left's stances seriously when it comes to their supposed moral superiority.

Perhaps not in your case but you're an exception, not the rule. The right in America, especially the political class and their donors, overwhelmingly support capitalism over the family. Even among the base family issues framed in this sense don't really rate highly over other culture war shit. I consider myself a leftist and I care deeply about this stuff but that doesn't blind me to the fact that I'm an exception on the left. Merely talking about it in this way would really turn off a lot of leftists.

 

[luckyshot]

The three BLM hero's shot by Kyle Rittenhouse

Joseph D. Rosenbaum: Convicted sex offender, level 3, sexual misconduct with a child (bald dude, shot after he tried to dropped kick Rittenhouse when he was on his back)

Anthony M. Huber: Pled guilty to false imprisonment with a dangerous weapon, strangulation domestic dispute, and battery (skateboard dude, shot after trying to bash Rittenhouse's head in with skateboard)

Gauge P. Grosskreutz: Felony burglary, theft, probation violation, felon in possession of a firearm (one arm dude, shot after attempting drawing a concealed handgun on Rittenhouse after feigning surrender) Don't believe me, Google their names and see their mugshots.

It doesn't matter who they were. It doesn't change the fact that an underage minor was there usung a weapon he possessed illegally for the purpose of engaging in vigilantism.

Social stability relies on the state maintaining a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence. Everything that works against that is destabilizing to a society.

The fact that people dont seem to understand that is really troubling.

Don't fap. But don't spout off like you know shit either. Basic stuff.

You asked me to acknowledge that this kid was acting as a "fine citizen." I typed back a thoughtful reply as to why this is not the case. You did not respond to any of the points I raised. Pretty clear who is making the effort to have a good faith conversation itt and who isn't.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

His lawyer is good I’ll give them that. Kids going to walk.

TLDR, he was hired security, gun belonged to friend.



"According to Pierce Brainbridge, the lawfirm representing the Antioch teen, on the day of the shooting, the 17-year-old worked as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, and later on, he went to the local public high school to remove graffiti.

Many buildings were tagged with graffiti and several were destroyed when unrest ensued in the days following the shooting of Jacob Blake by a Kenosha police officer.

On Tuesday, according to attorneys, Rittenhouse and a friend received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed and needed help protecting his business. Kyle and the friend armed themselves with rifles and headed to the business.

The attorneys stated that protesters threatened and taunted Rittenhouse several times as he and his friend stood guard at the business. They claim the 17-year-old became concerned about protesters injured in clashes with police, and went to provide first aid, according to NBC affiliate WTMJ in Milwaukee.

Rittenhouse eventually made his way toward a second auto shop where he was confronted by protesters, according to a news release.

"Upon the sound of a gunshot behind him, Kyle turned and was immediately faced with an attacker lunging towards him and reaching for his rifle," the attorneys said. "He reacted instantaneously and justifiably with his weapon to protect himself, firing and striking the attacker."

Kyle stopped to ensure care for the wounded person, but faced a "growing mob," according to the lawfirm.

"In fear for his life and concerned the crowd would either continue to shoot at him or even use his own weapon against him, Kyle had no choice but to fire multiple rounds towards his immediate attackers, striking two, including one armed attacker," the statement from the lawfirm added.

The lawyers contend the 17-year-old "exercised his God-given, Constitutional, common law and statutory law right to self-defense."

"“A 17-year old child should not have to take up arms in America to protect life and property," the statement read. "That is the job of state and local governments. However, those governments have failed, and law-abiding citizens have no choice but to protect their own communities.His lawyer is good I’ll give them that. Kids going to walk.

Community based policing at its finest

 

[superpunch]

Holy shit I just watched the video. At any point if he didn't do what he did, the mob would have killed him. How in the fuck is he being charged? Is he seriously just supposed to let people kill him because of his political beliefs?

 

[Rand M Arthur]

Unfortunately I do think many families require two working parents unless one of them is well educated in a field with good wages. But everyone can't have that.

In fact two working parents is the norm throughout history, it was only really in the post war era of prosperity that the US could sustain a nuclear family with one working parent. In a peasant family the mother was a field hand or worked around the farm in some capacity, in an urban poor family she might help around the shop if the family owned one or work as a domestic or petty saleswoman or something like that. This is where extended families are supposed to come in; even if you have two working parents if you have grandparents or uncles and aunts or older cousins and so on present that can be balanced with the reality that most adults had to work. But forget the extended family, even the nuclear family has barely survived the onslaught of capitalism. As for the point about feminism, well I answered a similar point earlier so I'll just post that.


Ah what I would give to have been married at 23 to a 20 year old...

Anyway yes its a worrying trend. Funny enough it was Reagan who first passed no fault divorce in California then later on at the national level. But obviously he could not do so without the political will so its not fair to solely blame him.

You can't just tell people what to do though, they're going to respond to the incentive structure around them and the incentive structure of capitalism is anathema to cultivating families. To the extent people do its despite capitalism, not because of it. Look at even the winners of capitalism, the wealthy; they actually have fewer kids than the poor on average even though they could afford to spawn dozens of kids in some cases. In the game of capitalism your bank account is like a cup with no bottom, it can never be filled. As they say, if a man had a valley full of gold he'd want a second valley full of gold.

Perhaps not in your case but you're an exception, not the rule. The right in America, especially the political class and their donors, overwhelmingly support capitalism over the family. Even among the base family issues framed in this sense don't really rate highly over other culture war shit. I consider myself a leftist and I care deeply about this stuff but that doesn't blind me to the fact that I'm an exception on the left. Merely talking about it in this way would really turn off a lot of leftists.

This is one of the better posts I've seen in my short time in this forum.

FPTP voting has really screwed traditional western societies. It's funny how many mainland European nations can have socially rightwing parties but still have strong Keynesian economies.

 

[superpunch]

It all boils down to people arguing for criminal rights, which is so ass backwards, that I can't even begin to comprehend it.

1/3 of black men are convicted felons. The culture is so fucked up. So, in their minds, black rights are the same thing as criminal rights... and therefor we have BLM.

And the end of the day, that's what this is all about. So many black men are criminals and/ or violent that rights for criminals and violent people have become the same thing as black rights. It needs to change. Black people can do better.

 

[cunglaowins]

1/3 of black men are convicted felons. The culture is so fucked up. So, in their minds, black rights are the same thing as criminal rights... and therefor we have BLM.

And the end of the day, that's what this is all about. So many black men are criminals and/ or violent that rights for criminals and violent people have become the same thing as black rights. It needs to change. Black people can do better.

the criminal mindset is so deeply ingrained in the black culture to the point that they don’t really trust you if you have not been in jail . That is being ‘real’

I remember hanging out with a group of black kids in hS and even if you act like a “goodie two shoe” like picking up your own trash they jeer you for being unauthentic like you’re faking it. While they rather be ‘real’ (throw trash and spit everywhere they go). Small things come big things but the value system is “Dont obey the rules” the more you get away with that the cooler you are. Rule breakers become law breakers become criminals.

Michael Brown refused to obey a simple command of a cop to walk on the sidewalk and paid his life for it. They’re willing to do that over little things. It’s a source of tremendous pride for them: fucked up value system

 

[Fanu]

Michael Brown refused to obey a simple command of a cop to walk on the sidewalk and paid his life for it. They’re willing to do that over little things. It’s a source of tremendous pride for them: fucked up value system

Good to know its a-okay for cops to kill someone that isnt complying over simple things.



fucking LOL at US cops - as long as they do stuff like this, there will be riots and no going back to how things were. They even attack the press filming stuff, like its a motherfucking communist china.

Also I love your racism - every black guy has a fucked up value system cause you grow up in a shithole? ok.
Its like saying all white dudes are bible thumping morons that support pedophilia.

 

[superpunch]

Good to know its okay for cops to kill someone that isnt complying over simple things.



fucking LOL at US cops

Standing in the road is dangerous for obvious reasons. My parents taught me that when I was like 5. How else were they supposed to get him out of the road?

 

[WTF2008]

https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/lo...cle_f1adbd13-3a15-5cdd-bd4e-95113ca36de4.html
State DOJ will probe officer-involved shooting; man in serious condition

"......Sheriff’s deputies also do not have body cameras."

Some of you guys are straight up pieces of shit. It's always the victim's fault, never the agents of the state. Making jokes about someone shot in the back by some chickenshit cops. Weak shit.

Wonder what you guys would do if Trump came for your guns. You'd probably let em do it since your impulse to cheer on brutal authority figures overrides your faux-patriotism......

Body cameras are so cheap now that there’s no reason to not have one.
I was one of those “Trump” guys and there’s no reason to say that somehow this is Trump’s fault.
Like it’s a new thing since he became President.

 

[cunglaowins]

Good to know its a-okay for cops to kill someone that isnt complying over simple things.



fucking LOL at US cops - as long as they do stuff like this, there will be riots and no going back to how things were. They even attack the press filming stuff, like its a motherfucking communist china.

Also I love your racism - every black guy has a fucked up value system cause you grow up in a shithole? ok.
Its like saying all white dudes are bible thumping morons that support pedophilia.

Did not say anything about “every black guy” read it again

 

[Fanu]

Did not say anything about “every black guy” read it again

your quotes:

"the criminal mindset is so deeply ingrained in the black culture"

"They’re willing to do that over little things. It’s a source of tremendous pride for them: fucked up value system"

 

[Hard To Tell]

It's almost like having a stolen car with kids in it, while you violently struggle with police with a deadly weapon in your possession, is alarming or something...

My god, how far are you willing to go to validate this piece of shit? You're essentially at, "Just because he was pointing a gun at someone, doesn't mean he was going to pull the trigger!"

You guys are lost.

In this very thread some people are even trying to defend the pedo who got his brains blown out. And not for being at the protest and chasing down the kid, but for being a pedo. He was a level 3 sex offender, meaning the rape of a child under 13, who did 10 years and got life on the sex offenders register. So that is obviously a seriously sick and evil crime he must have committed.

Leftists: "but...but...was it really that bad? We don't have all the details. What was the context for what he did?"

These people honestly make me sick.

 

[Mr Holmes]

To what would you attribute this precipitous level of misinformation?
Do you think they’re wantonly full of shit?... like flat out lying through their teeff?
Or just simply retarded/insane?

All of the above?

 

[Fanu]

Thank God Trump made america great again.

 

[superpunch]

Thank God Trump made america great again.

It's one side out there rioting and looting and burning for months across the entire country: the American left, all democrats.

 

[Fanu]

It's one side out there rioting and looting and burning for months across the entire country: the American left, all democrats.

Why is there rioting and looting and what has Trump done about it? Is America finally great again after 4 years of Trump?